Nothing is perfect

A place for people to gather and share their dislike of Portland.




1,377 thoughts on “Nothing is perfect

  1. I’m thrilled that Portland is being torched by Antifa. It couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch of folks. Burn baby burn.

  2. Progressive??! Oh dear, what a joke. Not only are African-Americans despised, persecuted and hated, so is anybody from ‘outside’ regardless of immutable genetics or religion. Caucasian people from California are treated appallingly too. For those who clearly do not understand the English language, in a state containing so few high school grads, let me help you. This is the most regressive, racist and xenophobic, hate-filled miserable little town I have ever had the misery to witness. No amount of over-priced, over-rated ‘fusion’ food, beer or coffee will cover it up. Nor will the myth that you have the ‘best’ nature work anymore, because it is pure BS.

  3. I have never experienced abuse, incompetence, hostility and hate quite like I have in Portland, OR, simply for being an ‘outsider’. I have lived in two of USA’s major metropolitan cities and one of Europe’s. I have lived outside of major cities too. Portland, Oregon is home to the nastiest, most jealous, hate-filled, back-stabbing, calculating, vengeful sociopathic losers who are fueled daily by schadenfreude in addition to copious amounts of drugs and booze. Race to the bottom is the most apt description. I have been scammed, ripped-off, bullied, ganged-up on and generally made to feel like I am surrounded by mentally-ill adult children. The antagonists are all arrogant and sure of their superiority with their bum-like appearances and minimum wage gig and hustle jobs, yet I have had years of being surrounded by quality people with standards, character, wealth and class prior to this ugly little place. The difference is quite clear. 
I noticed that when I described my many travels around the state of Oregon to places such as Painted Hills, the response would be more hate. I realized that many who have lived here for life have never travelled that far.

  4. I left Portland last week after 15 years in the city. I own a business and employ ~15 people in the city. I wrote this letter to Ted Wheeler and Kate Brown:

    Ted & Kate-

    I’ve been an Oregon resident for 20 years now. I moved from California to attend The University of Oregon. I moved to Portland after that to start my first business. Ted, you’ve been a customer of ours.

    Our business is 100% locally owned – it’s grown every year since 2005. Our staff is well paid with full benefits. We use the Port of Portland (well, we used to) We use PDX airport weekly, and for international travel, we use Delta to support their non-stop flights from here to Amsterdam, London and Tokyo. Our company hosts myriad international guests, suppliers, and customers. We bring people from all over the world, here, to Oregon.

    I take pride in our company taking care of our staff. A number of our team have earned equity in our business, for free. We’ve helped them buy houses, start families. People get four weeks PTO, health insurance, donation matching – heck, we effectively have given unlimited paid maternity leave, just because it felt right.

    During Covid, no one got laid off (despite your best efforts to force us to close, we refused to give in) our hourly staff continued at full pay, everyday. We bank locally, we invest locally, and we have purchased other businesses and moved them to Oregon. I’m now part owner of a UK based manufacturer that is looking to set up production in the US. I used to believe we were the quintessential business Oregon wanted. Helping our staff and community to prosper.


    Now, I’m focused on starting a new business, a technology business that we hope will change the way humans work, are creative, and rest.

    Unfortunately, that business will not be based in Oregon.

    I realize you both likely don’t care, but I think it’s sad that it’s come to this. I wanted to highlight the reasons why I will go elsewhere.

    1) Portland looks like a landfill. Driving up I-5, going downtown – things are covered in garbage, graffiti and tents. It’s hard to have pride in a place that looks like a landfill. Abandoned RVs, needles in the streets – it’s so sad that the city and state do nothing.

    2) Portland is not safe. I’m about to get married, and I can’t start a family here. Every single person at work has had their car broken into. Our yard suffers regular break ins. Drug use, drug deals and criminal activity are rampant around our business – left completely unchecked.

    3) Portland doesn’t value diversity. If you don’t speak the super liberal party line here, your voice is silenced. Virtue signaling has replaced dialogue or debate. The oppressive, lock step mentality here that anyone with a different opinion is the enemy, is caustic.

    4) Politics over progress. I’ve been a liberal minded person for years, but, I can’t ignore the focus on winning social media – instead of progress. I’m half-tempted to vote for Trump (never having voted for a Republican in my life), just in the hopes that people wake up. You guys might try to be leaders, instead of winning the keyboard wars.

    5) Lack of leadership. Democrat’s have had complete power for what 2+ decades now? And this is what we have to show for it? Are you kidding me. Ted, you went to Harvard, you should be a bit smarter than this about how to run a city. Someone has to LEAD. Not virtue signal, not tweet. LEAD. Take responsibility, stand up for what is right, and LEAD. Don’t tweet. Lead…

    6) Dividing people. Nothing builds a community like helping everyone do better. Yet, somehow, you both prefer to push the narrative that we’re all racist jerks here? Silencing anyone who disagrees with you all? Telling us what language to use? I’m closing in on visiting 100 countries, and I haven’t seen one be successful that tries to divide it’s people like you do.


    In closing, you can write this off as another rant. Some hater. Some angry voter or whatever.
    But, you *could* also read it and say ‘huh, I wonder if some important people might think this?’

    I’ve failed at a lot of things in my life, and I make mistakes every day. But I also listen to others, from all sides, and I focus on taking action that leads towards progress and a better future. It would be so interesting if political figures like yourselves dropped the posturing, dropped the ‘holier than though’ mentality – and instead of virtue signaling that you want to create Utopia, you got your hands dirty helping ALL citizens achieve the prosperity that they crave.

    When people do better, they take care of each other
    When people are led by people with their heads deep in the sand – is it any wonder our biggest city, and by nature, most of our State, continues to be torn apart day by day, month by month, year by year, under your direction? Leaders stand up, take the blame, and move forward. Something it would be nice if our civic leaders did anymore.

    My next business sadly won’t be in Portland or even Oregon. This is a city I’ve loved for 20 years, but now I can’t stand the sight of. I’m leaving at the end of the month, and I’m looking forward to traveling and finding a place that respects diversity, promotes conversations, celebrates hard work and attempts to life all people up, instead of ruining everything.

    Howard R.

    *I don’t feel safe using my real name these days – too much violence, division and hate here.

  5. I have lived in Portland for 20 years and this site makes me feel lucky. Not lucky because I live in Portland or have left, but because I was able to buy a home in the desert and I can get away from Portland most of the year. Initially I thought spending more time in the desert would give me an appreciation for the Portland outdoors, camping, food, people, creativity, cleanliness, and allow for a break from the soul crushing darkness and rain. But it did not. Every time I come back to Portland I like it less. The weather, the self-righteousness, the holier-than-thou attitudes, the ridiculousness of the bicycle hive-mind to make vehicle traffic worse (eg. “Better Naito”). Don’t get me wrong, it’s not just the people, I have a large number of friends from all over the city, that is not the issue, I would happily take them out of this city with me. This issue is a combination of factors that have worsened over the last 10-ish years that have led to this place becoming the generic land of mini San Francisco, but in a worse way (not blaming Californians, I love CA).
    1) Weather: I don’t care how many times you say it’s not that bad, or just go hike in the rain, or it’s just water, whatever…this place has terrible depressing dark cold rain for up to 10 months of the year. Yes I’m aware 2019 had a fairly dry November. But I remember it raining up to and on the 4th of July many years. That leaves us with part of July, Aug (always AMAZING), and about half of Sept. That’s it. You can argue any weather pattern in Portland history to your hearts content, but the fact is the weather sucks if you want to be dry, warm, happy outside. A couple years ago I decided I will try my best to stay active all winter (besides skiing) and will hike and go camping. Try March/April camping in OR. Rains the entire day and night. Setup tarp roofs in the cold rain. Put your tent on the mud puddle creek that is the ground. Sit soaked by the barely burning fire. Drink until you pass out and freeze all night. It’s just water right? There’s always drinking in a hotel at the rainy coast. Or the rain and blistering wind at the overpriced Seafood and Wine fest.
    2) Traffic: Yes we are all traffic, I agree. But the traffic in Portland is the most ridiculous I have ever seen (I frequently work in SFO and yes it sucks too). Two lanes on I5, are you kidding. I cannot even fathom how it would be viable to widen most of the freeways here crammed between neighborhoods with no expansion space. Good luck. I have to drive on Naito to get to work every day. With “Better Naito” making the old 2 lane road into one vehicle lane and one bike lane it has caused traffic to backup for blocks. Meanwhile maybe one bicycle gleefully rides alone on what used to be a car lane. Don’t forget there was already a bike lane there and the waterfront path they are free to use. Thanks bikers, not all of us go to one location for work on our bike and stay there all day. Some of us need to change locations mid-day, drop off kids, bring equipment to work, run errands at lunch. Please do not bring up cargo bikes. Remember, those of us in our fossil fuel burning vehicles are paying the gas taxes to maintain the roads bikes ride on. How much is the bicycle road tax? Tip, never get behind an Outback or Prius.
    3) People: Oh the people! Rule following passive aggressive do-gooders? Depressed introverts quietly expressing their creative side alone at home enjoying a dark rainy night? Natives born and bred to despise sun and warmth? Ultra sensitive yet somehow offensively ignorant white people more sensitive to race than people who actually deal with racism? I’ll admit there are plenty of cool people, but PLEASE just mind your own business Portland.
    4) Cost: Why the f*** is Portland so expensive. I live in an early 80’s townhome, not fancy or remodeled. Property tax over $7000. With water, garbage, gas, power, cheapest (fast) internet available…minimum $300 per month utilities. No I’m not wasting water, I have low flow everything. Yes I recycle. Yes I compost because I have no choice with a 20 gallon garbage can picked up bi-weekly for $70. Then an arts tax, then State income tax. Come on Portland, it shouldn’t be this expensive to live.
    5) Food: The comfort food here is good, it’s not great. The “fusion” food is ok. I’m done paying $10 for a food cart burrito. Goodbye 10th Ave food cart pod making way for a hotel, I won’t miss the $14 sandwich BBQ cart. Sizzle Pie is awesome at 2a. Portlanders who think they have the best food are living in a bubble. Sorry but every big city has farm to table restaurants and local breweries, it’s not special. There’s better food, better beaches, better lakes, better mountains, better hiking, better skiing, and better weather than Portland has to offer all across the US.
    There’s plenty more but this is too long already. I hope those of you who realize the negatives are able to find somewhere you are happy. I hope you natives who defend Portland to the death are able to spend time away truly seeing what it’s like to live somewhere else, not just comment about having “been all over the world”, you have to actually live there to understand.

    • Geez, you sound just like me!! Portland is not worth what we pay to live here. We would move, but nobody wants to pay nearly a 1000.00 a month in space rent! More power to you, I wish to be in the desert as well.

    • I got the hell out of Portland, OR for good a few days ago. Instant relief. I never felt so miserable in the years I was there. I had a very thorough experience, different jobs too. Stayed in houses with roommates and also took out a lease in an expensive studio apartment. Travelled all over the state hiking, camping, wine-tasting, coastal trips. I never encountered so many extremely nasty people anywhere else and I’m sure I never will again.

  6. I have lived in Portland for 20 years and this site makes me feel lucky. Not lucky because I live in Portland or have left, but because I was able to buy a home in the desert and I can get away from Portland most of the year. Initially I thought spending more time in the desert would give me an appreciation for the Portland outdoors, camping, food, people, creativity, cleanliness, and allow for a break from the soul crushing darkness and rain. But it did not. Every time I come back to Portland I like it less. The weather, the self-righteousness, the holier-than-thou attitudes, the ridiculousness of the bicycle hive-mind to make vehicle traffic worse (I’m looking at you “Better Naito”). Don’t get me wrong, it’s not just the people, I have a large number of friends from all over the city, that is not the issue, I would happily take them out of this city with me. This issue is a combination of factors that have worsened over the last 10-ish years that have led to this place becoming the generic land of mini San Francisco, but in a worse way (not blaming Californians, I love CA).
    1) Weather: I don’t care how many times you say it’s not that bad, or just go hike in the rain, or it’s just water, whatever…this place has terrible depressing dark cold rain for up to 10 months of the year. Yes I’m aware 2019 had a fairly dry November. But I remember it raining up to and on the 4th of July many years. That leaves us with part of July, Aug (always AMAZING), and about half of Sept. That’s it. You can argue any weather pattern in Portland history to your hearts content, but the fact is the weather sucks if you want to be dry, warm, happy outside. A couple years ago I decided I will try my best to stay active all winter (besides skiing) and will hike and go camping. Try March/April camping in OR. Rains the entire day and night. Setup tarp roofs in the cold rain. Put your tent on the mud puddle creek that is the ground. Sit soaked by the barely burning fire. Drink until you pass out and freeze all night. It’s just water right? There’s always drinking in a hotel at the rainy coast. Or the rain and blistering wind at the overpriced Seafood and Wine fest.
    2) Traffic: Yes we are all traffic, I agree. But the traffic in Portland is the most ridiculous I have ever seen (I frequently work in SFO and yes it sucks too). Two lanes on I5, are you kidding. I cannot even fathom how it would be viable to widen most of the freeways here crammed between neighborhoods with no expansion space. Good luck. I have to drive on Naito to get to work every day. With “Better Naito” making the old 2 lane road into one vehicle lane and one bike lane it has caused traffic to backup for blocks. Meanwhile maybe one bicycle gleefully rides alone on what used to be a car lane. Don’t forget there was already a bike lane there and the waterfront path they are free to use. Thanks bikers, not all of us go to one location for work on our bike and stay there all day. Some of us need to change locations mid-day, drop off kids, bring equipment to work, run errands at lunch. Please do not bring up cargo bikes. Remember, those of us in our fossil fuel burning vehicles are paying the gas taxes to maintain the roads bikes ride on. How much is the bicycle road tax? Tip, never get behind an Outback or Prius.
    3) People: Oh the people! Rule following passive aggressive do-gooders? Depressed introverts quietly expressing their creative side alone at home enjoying a dark rainy night? Natives born and bred to despise sun and warmth? Ultra sensitive yet somehow offensively ignorant white people more sensitive to race than people who actually deal with racism? I’ll admit there are plenty of cool people, but PLEASE just mind your own business Portland.
    4) Cost: Why the f*** is Portland so expensive. I live in an early 80’s townhome, not fancy or remodeled. Property tax over $7000. With water, garbage, gas, power, cheapest (fast) internet available…minimum $300 per month utilities. No I’m not wasting water, I have low flow everything. Yes I recycle. Yes I compost because I have no choice with a 20 gallon garbage can picked up bi-weekly for $70. Then an arts tax, then State income tax. Come on Portland, it shouldn’t be this expensive to live.
    5) Food: The comfort food here is good, it’s not great. The “fusion” food is ok. I’m done paying $10 for a food cart burrito. Goodbye 10th Ave food cart pod making way for a hotel, I won’t miss the $14 sandwich BBQ cart. Sizzle Pie is awesome at 2a. Portlanders who think they have the best food are living in a bubble. Sorry but every big city has farm to table restaurants and local breweries, it’s not special. There’s better food, better beaches, better lakes, better mountains, better hiking, better skiing, and better weather than Portland has to offer all across the US.
    There’s plenty more but this is too long already. I hope those of you who realize the negatives are able to find somewhere you are happy. I hope you natives who defend Portland to the death are able to spend time away truly seeing what it’s like to live somewhere else, not just comment about having “been all over the world”, you have to actually live there to understand.

  7. Historic racism that continues, xenophobia too. Unacceptable. People forming a pack around anybody who is an ‘outsider’ and making their lives hell. Truly the nastiest people compared to the genuinely great cities of the world. You really do not experience the same levels of hate and covert/overt hostility anywhere else and I am relatively well-travelled. There are many people bravely calling out this abusive city for what it is. You get great beer, coffee, organic locally-sourced food in all of the world’s great cities. Living here for 6 years as a European has been depressing and an ordeal. I feel I’m surrounded by alcoholics, drug addicts and extremely aggressive people, including women all projecting at ‘outsiders’, daily.

    • I moved to Portland from the East Coast because I was looking for a change, and my best friend told me Portland was wonderful. I even spent a long weekend there and saw nothing wrong, except perhaps it was small. But ok, I could deal. Well, was I wrong. I gave it a year trying to like it. Then spent 6 months organizing my escape.
      For heaven’s sake, don’t stay. Life is short, and Portland isn’t worth a minute of anyone’s time. For my 2 cents, it’s the armpit of the West Coast. Just leave!

      • Thank you Anne. I have gained tremendous support through this ordeal in Portland from your previous posts and others such as “Boregonian’. I will be leaving this horrible place once my lease is up.

        • I’m so glad you’re leaving Craig. I see far too many who (1) lose the will to leave or (2) don’t have the money once they get there because there are so few “real” jobs—mostly pick-up, part-time gigs people seem to cobble together.

          I personally didn’t have the funds to support another major “experiment,” so I spent my last 6 months in Portland doing research online. Ended up in North County San Diego, and I feel like I’ve hit heaven! I’m 4 miles from the ocean, hear the songs of coyote babies in the hollows, and all I need to do to be happy is look out my window. Being happy takes less effort than at any other time in my life—in truth, no effort at all. (Bird of Paradise are used in traffic median strips as the “weed flower.”) Wish you the very best of luck and a very speedy exit!

          • Sounds wonderful! I have been a US Permanent Resident since 2006, I love America and am about to become a naturalized citizen (dual citizen, including the country of my birth.) I will not let Portland affect my love of USA and am excited to move on and reacquaint myself with the great people here, as I did before making the innocent mistake of moving to Portland, OR. Thanks again Anne for your uplifting messages.

          • Congratulations on getting your dual citizenship! I don’t know where you’re from but here are a few tips while you’re deciding where you want to go:

            (1) Look for a place with excellent health care—most of my career was in health care, and it may not be important when you’re young, but it certainly is when you get older (and often even before that). Try https://www.healthgrades.com/ to find both doctors and hospitals. A good doc won’t do you much good if the hospital is bad. I pick a hospital first, then look for a doctor who practices there.

            (2) Find a place with the least amount of bigotry/racism you can. (And just know there is no perfect place, but some are light years better than others. I think Portland’s WallOfMoms will make a lot of the contempt for “others” with which the current Administration has infected us either go away or go back underground.) Check out the “Hate Map” on the Southern Poverty Law Center’s website. https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map. You want to find a place that has the best chance of having people with whom you’ll be compatible.

            [Funny story: When I first moved to San Diego County, I made an acquaintance who, as I got to know her, became very upfront about her feelings—she hated this race or that ethnic group. She was unhappy living in California and decided to move. Being rather disgusted with her attitudes (and possibly possessing a rather warped sense of humor), I directed her to the SPLC “Hate Map” so she could find a place that made her comfortable. I wanted to make a point and assumed she would get it. Nope. Several months later I ran into someone who knew her, and he told me she had packed up and moved to Alabama. So I guess the map actually helped her find like-minded people….]

            (3) Politics have never been as important and divisive in our country as they are now, so do consider whether you want a red state, blue state, or purple state. It’s nice to not have to watch everything you say and to whom you say it. I thought I was moving to blue. Then one day I was talking politics with a friend while another person was apparently eavesdropping—she started yelling at me, though she was not even part of the conversation. That taught me a lesson.

            As for the rest, I grew up in Michigan, lived in New York state while in school, worked in Detroit, Boston, the western part of Virginia, and D.C. Spent time in Idaho, Wyoming, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Maine, Georgia, Florida, and obviously, Oregon. If you are a city person (I am), I can highly recommend San Francisco, San Diego, Chicago, Boston, and D.C. They are all relatively expensive, but I recently read an article that said happiness governed far more by whether a person likes the place they live than the work they do there. And, I for one, would rather economize if it lets me live in a place I love.

            Best of luck!

    • Wow is this page cathartic. I spent two years in this city, and I must say, it does suck the soul out of you. I don’t think the weather is to blame though. I grew up in Michigan, and currently live in the Netherlands, places with pretty miserable weather. It’s the people who make Portland depressing. I have yet to meet more socially inept individuals. I’ve been sitting at the bar having a beer with friends, when some random dude thinks it’s ok to come over and tell his entire life story, or some crazy conspiracy theory on why no one in the band KISS is blonde (true). Virtue signaling is an Olympic sport in Portland; saying anything that could be remotely construed as offensive or a “microaggression” often incurs the wrath of a self-professed social justice warrior. Let’s not forget that Oregon had a robust KKK chapter, and discriminatory policies towards Blacks which were every bit as deplorable as the Jim Crow south, yet locals tend to whitewash these facts. As others have stated, the traffic is atrocious (as are the drivers), parts of the Pearl and SE are full of garbage and homeless camps, and the cost of living is way too high for what you get. Public transportation is decent, but still nowhere near the level of Chicago, New York, or DC. The Portlanders who think that their city is “world class” clearly haven’t travelled. Where I live in the Netherlands, comparable housing and groceries are about half of what they cost in Portland, there are dedicated bike lanes off the road, and after a two minute walk from my apartment, I can get anywhere in the country by train within an hour and a half. Dutch people are friendly, and tolerant in the true definition of the word; they are open to all opinions, so long as you respect theirs. I will admit that the Portland area is surrounded by beautiful nature, but the toll living there takes on your mental health is not worth it.

  8. I can see why majority of the commenters had/have the Portland blues. They sound like awful people. Go sulk at a Buffalo Wild Wings in Iowa or something.

    • I was upset to see anyone say a negative thing about Tracy! I live in Boise, Idaho and still remember her living and reporting the news here. I missed her when she left years ago and when I moved to Portland was overjoyed to find her again! I was reading something about Portland and saw this post. How sad u can’t appreciate one of the finest news reporters anywhere in your own very loved Portland. I was thinking of moving back-I always thought of Portland as my home. It appears I need to think again! What has happened to you and your very positive, upbeat, caring reputation in the northwest? Shame on YOU for having NO taste and congrats Tracy on your retirement!
      Linda Kirby

    • mindless virtue signalers – one big ugly echo chamber of close minded hypocritical socialists. Crazy backwards. Get out as soon as you can to save your sanity, if you have a brain. Stagnant city.

  9. I honestly cannot believe how stupid and abysmal everyone is in this nasty little town full of addicts. I would recommend people visit to bear witness to the fact that the victorian freak show is alive and well in Portland, Oregon. USA!

  10. Portland, Oregon is without doubt the worst place I have ever experienced in all my travels. It’s entirely due to the lousiest set of people one could have the absolute misery and misfortune to find oneself around. Pure trash.

  11. I am a developer who moved her for work after attending school in NYC. I find it fine. I’m very shy and the abundance of strip clubs appeals to me for that reason. There is never to far to go over the bridge to see ready women. Yes, rents are getting higher, but there are nice lofts downtown (where I live) for much less than other cities and I tend not to go out much anyway (except for hikes, strip clubs, occasional shopping).

  12. In the 1920s, Oregon had the largest Ku Klux Klan (KKK) membership per capita in the United States.[2] KKK member Walter M. Pierce was elected governor in 1922
    From -Wikipedia entry on Racism in Oregon

    …many African Americans in Portland say they’re not surprised when they hear about racial incidents in this city and state. That’s because racism has been entrenched in Oregon, maybe more than any state in the north, for nearly two centuries
    From “The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America”

    All that has changed is that the hatred directed at minorities is now focused on Californians

    • Nothing has changed. The KKK attempted a rally in Feb 2020. This is what persists, whilst the virtue signalers/marchers/anarchists move onto the next trendy thing to get self-absorbed about.

  13. I finally got out two months ago to the nicest area of Henderson, Las Vegas metro area, and it has been an incredible change. The people are so friendly, sun shines all of the time, there are basically no bikes to be found anywhere because people use the roads for cars just like they’re designed to be used, there are no income taxes, I never have an issue finding food late no matter what time it is, and my mood has lifted greatly. I actually wake up every day feeling blessed and fortunate that I escaped what really felt like a psychological war zone sometimes in Portland. I thought the hatred of that city would wash away a bit after I moved but I still despise it and I think it’s because I have family and friends there so I know I can’t truly leave it in the past. I honestly wish I never had to return because I just hate the place with a fiery passion. More than anything, I can’t understand why anyone would consider such a cesspool to be whatsoever desirable. The weather alone makes it uninhabitable but when paired with the complete SJW livtards to be found everywhere and the crushing taxes, high cost of living, and pathetic restaurant hours it’s too much for me to handle. The idea of not being able to get any meal I want at 10 or 11 pm is laughable. Sure my options get lower past midnight but in Portland, there really are none, even a lot of fast food is closed by then. It’s beyond pathetic for a supposed world class city. I don’t see it at all. It’s still a podunk town that’s a bedroom community at best. Nothing to do, nothing to see. Maybe that’s just my 31 years there but it’s not like the city offers up anything new, ever. It’s the same stupid nonsense like Saturday Market, the Rose Garden, some hiking trails, and beer all of the time. There’s nothing else each year that magically makes it interesting. Just more rain, more disappointment from the Blazers, and more crazy liberal wacko ideas.

    • FYI: I have lived in Las Vegas for a dozen years and witnessed a Portland-like transformation among many people here. Fortunately, the local cops will not put up with it, but, make no mistake, the very same elements in Portland are here and are highly active. That is why an obvious Hispanic gangbanger with a “702” tattoo under his eye shot a cop in the back of the head and paralyzed him during a “peaceful” protest. Dems/Liberals/Communists (seriously, downright commies) clearly have targeted Clark County and managed to turn this place into Very East L.A. Control Clark County and you control Nevada politics, which is why we have that corrupt disaster of a Dem in Gov. Sisolak. Between the insanely hot summer I just endured whilst on a forced lockdown and the generally massive high-desert ghetto that Las Vegas truly has become, I do not intend to waste another summer in Las Vegas. Southeastern Oregon is looking ideal, especially near Crater Lake.

  14. The reason Portland sucks is all the people who have moved here since 2010. Portland is a progressive city and if you were surprised by that when you got here, you didn’t do your research. You can insult Portland for your failing to do your due diligence but that just makes you look stupid.

    All the people flocking here, making Portland more like matastasized cancer than the once quaint town it was, is why we moved after a lifetime here.

    Too many young, entitled and self-interested melinnials. That’s what’s wrong with Portland today.

  15. I have lived in Portland born and raised since 1981. The Portland that I know is long gone!!! People are now rude aggressive and suck!! Oh..wait that’s because they are not from here!

    • Nah, you are just super unwelcoming to anyone who isn’t born here. That has been my experience. That and everything getting covered in crow s**t….maybe that is why you are so “portland polite” to new arrivals….

  16. The best place to hang out in Portland Maine is in Lawrence Mass.

    Nobody commits to a plan

    If you don’t want to go just f**king say it

    I am tired of this white claw chat buls**t

    I took the fall for this entire s**tty group

  17. Here’s a classic Portland story:

    I’ve been living in a neighborhood next to an elementary school for a couple years. My kid was in 3rd grade when we moved here. This is “too late” if you want to be included in the school community. Though I’ve volunteered frequently, and though we walk by other children’s houses on the way to and from school, and they walk past mine, the other parents barely speak to me.

    Recently, my kid has befriended one of the kids who is an “old-timer”. I tried to invite the kid over to our house. (One block away from the other kid’s house! Nothing crazy!) The parents demurred. Then, they invited us to meet at the local coffee shop. I think this was an interview? Am I cool enough? Can our 11-year-olds be friends now?

    • This is what sadly happens now. After you let your child go to their friends home and it happens to be your child that gets accidentally shot dead because those parents thought their gun was secure in its hiding place . So many awful things happen! So yes the responsible thing to do now is meet the parents if both kids will be in one another’s home. We need to be responsible for others children when in our homes. This includes finding out if they have allergies! I know of kids whom can not be in a place that has peanuts! I’ve had to clear out my home of allergens. Its certainly very different from when i was a kid!

      • Yes, but the parents didn’t ask any of these questions. They just sized me up. I think they were verifying that I was in the correct socio economic group.

  18. What a great site!! In my frustration this morning I did a google search for “Portland sucks” and found this!

    Cheers to the other posters, may you all find a better place to live.

    My wife and I moved here when we graduated two years ago and are planning on moving back home this year. We moved here for the professional opportunities, which have been great for our careers, but money sure doesn’t make up for the soul sucking nature of this place. I want to be grateful for the opportunities we have had, and we have made some good friends here, but I just can’t stand it anymore. So here comes the rant:

    1) californians(?) I don’t know why, but people seem to feel it’s ok to jeopardize your life on the road to gain a 30second advantage on their way to their destination. It reminds me of… California. I hate to say it but I am now biased. I don’t know if every driver who cuts me off or if every car that makes a seriously questionable ( very dangerous) judgement call on the road is from California, but they sure as heck drive like they are.

    2 ). SJWs/libtards. I actually have voted democratic in elections, but these people take it to another level. A deadly combination of self loathing and insular lives, they should get their own houses in order before they have the gall to tell the rest of us how to live.

    3). Conformity. What? Yes! Portland is about conformity. The party line is that Portland is a place you can be yourself, but only if you fit one of the acceptable groups. If you are normal, this isn’t a great place for you. If you aren’t diverse in the way people want you to be diverse (a contradiction in terms), you’re SOL.

    4). Rules (see prior topics). Portlanders have no hesitation in telling others how to live their lives, and you better go along so we get along in this congested urban city.

    5). Prices. You pay a lot of money to put up with all this. Ridiculous.

    6) Riot season. As soon as the weather actually gets good, there are dueling political crypto-fascist left and right wing extremists assaulting each other in otherwise vibrant downtown areas.

    7). The city government is so hamstrung by competing extreme leftist groups and individuals, NIMBYs, and portlander’s innate passivity, they don’t do squat about the homelessness, assaults, theft, open drug use, traffic and general quality of life.

    8). The attitude. I have never met so many weak, passive, insulated, lazy and overall clueless people in my life. People relinquish their personal power here so they can be “accepting” and “aware.” People here have no sense of self preservation here (see traffic above). When I first saw “Portlandia,” I thought it was an interesting show about quirky people. Now, after living here, I realize it’s a show about idiots. This place is a lot like the show.

    Thanks for listening, good luck to all you normal and thoughtful people out there.

    • I’m a creative person want to make crafty cabinets but I don’t think they will sell here I am a conservative and honest truthful Christian and Portland looks down upon us which is not fair I don’t like the fast past and stressful lifestyle I don’t like the fact you must be like everyone else and follow suit with them.
      I want to live my own life with my husband in peace but you can’t do that here I am born and raised in Oregon but I desperately want to get the heck out of here don’t like democrats telling me how to live my life and when I live my life my way the get pissed off.
      Hey it’s my life I want it back.

    • Those aren’t Californians who drive poorly. I moved here from California, and I find the driving worse here. For example, Oregonians don’t seem to understand that they should yield to a pedestrian in a crosswalk. Also, “defensive driving” seems to consist of honking a lot. I suppose it’s possible that some of the worst drivers are transplants from Boston.

      • Nope. It’s all on you guys. I learned to drive IN Boston, got my license there and swear to God in my 7 years in Portland- I was witness to and victim of some seriously s**tty a$$ driving. One such Portland native managed to hit my car – the only other car in the parking lot – seriously- it was an empty parking lot- and they still managed to hit my vehicle. At least in Boston , Drivers Ed is MANDATORY to get your drivers license. So please- if Portlanders can’t take responsibility for their repulsive passive aggression- they should at least take responsibility for their inability to f**king drive. Maybe it’s because of the 67% High School graduation rate – they can’t manage to decipher the rules of the road or the drivers manual.

        • yesssssz, why don’t they have drivers ed out here?!!? They don’t have swimming classes either in school…. I was shocked when a native told me that. People drive fine in Boston, every time I’ve been there. I’m from Philly but have lived up and down the east coast, mid west, south, and southwest. Worst drivers are definitely on the west coast. It aggrevates me to no end. Bicycle drivers are horrible too. It makes me not even want to ride my bike because I don’t want to be associated with them. And they don’t just honk here, like they do back east, they honk for blocks. We call them the “four block honks.”

    • You need to add SERVICE to the list. Our service here sucks. Since there are so many people moving here, getting anything you need done is impossible. Want new cabinets? 3 months out. Want an attorney? Leave 10 voicemails to 10 places and get zero calls back. Want a new job? There are 100 other people who’ve applied to the same job you have. Want a haircut? 2 hour wait.

      Sheesh…

      • You’ve been whining all your life Angel. You came here to get better benefits than were available on the Indian reservation. Why don’t you tell the nice folks here how you whine about people copying your crappy art work? As if any one would would plagiarize that tasteless stuff. Tell them how you are a lazy welfare moocher who won’t work.

  19. Following my last reply which is awaiting moderation? Have not a clue what that is about! Nor do I care. I have to say every reply on here is mostly spot on and also Portland is not the only place San Francisco,Seattle,New York, and every place you find city hall infested with liberals you will find a city going in the toilet. You get what you elect and place in positions of power and putting loser liberal demoRats in any position of power is a recipe for disaster. There are great great people here and everywhere and many do not vote or are ill informed. We have got to get voter participation in the 90% plus range then we can have democracy instead of the sham we have now

      • FYI:
        Angel is a welfare moocher who moved to Portland so she can sponge off the government. She loves Portland because it is a haven for immoral stupid hicks like her.
        Not selling any more of your crappy paintings Angel?

  20. Have been been a lifelong Oregonian and have lived in Portland and several other places mostly the south coast. I have seen the horrible change this now sewer of a city has become and while the causes and blame are many! The solutions will never be realized or enacted having LIBERAL LOSERS running the city and it’s departments not here or anywhere! Portland was a good decent place when the freaks were relegated to the side shows and sewer parts of town. Certainly not in City hall or any area of importance

  21. My boyfriend and I moved here from MN and we fell in love with Oregon as a whole when we visited first and knew we’d probably stay somewhere in Oregon forever. I should also say MN is probably the 2nd most passive aggressive place to live that’s where the Minnesota Nice comes from 🙂 so I can usually handle that. what bothers me is being asked by almost any person we’ve come in contact with why we moved here and my boyfriend who is a nurse has also been hounded several times during job interviews why he chose Portland. They are never casual questions of actually wanting to know or to strike up a conversation it just seems like they’re trying to pry for something and Half the time they just smile and say cool or don’t respond and it leaves us feeling weird and wondering why nobody even attempts to hold a conversation. We are very social people and have made ourselves very vulnerable by introducing ourselves to strangers or just trying to strike up a conversation at a bar with a bartender on a slow night and we get absolutely nothing. So I’m happy to see it’s not just us being weird but I don’t think that’s passive aggressiveness this is just people feeling superior to you in some sort. Like I said before I get passive aggressiveness and only wanting to be friends with people you’ve grown up with or known forever that’s the entire state of Minnesota but this is that x10 and it’s just flat out annoying and it’s something I’d expect more from the older generations and not people our age. I’m hopeful once we start school again it will get better but I just can’t seem to wrap my head around the fact of how unaccepting this place is of transplants when Its seems like that’s half the population.

    • Get over it. As you get older it becomes harder to make friends. Every city I’ve lived in I’ve come across newbies who have this same complaint. It takes YEARS to make new friends as an adult. There are books written on this very subject. How did I make friends in Portland? Joined a few meetups and stuck with them and after just 2 years we have fairly close friends. Meetup is great because you meet people who are interested in the same things you are.

      • It’s all true!! So, a person has to make up their own mind why one has come to the place where you find yourself, now. I am in that Life-Experienced generation referred to so narrow-mindedly. Old? Such a narrow view about living a life, sighhh.
        The PNW in general is the quirkiest social corner of the world. I grew up on three continents, and have experienced that culturally embedded clannishness being pointed to, since I first transplanted here in the 1970s.
        We all are part of the reality that surrounds us, and our very own conditioned perspective is the place to start. What are all of these expectations that everyone flings about so literally? No place or group owes anyone anything. If it isn’t working for you, try contributing to what you want to be different for the better, for all, without expecting from others. Just show up in an internally conscious commitment to compassionately interested detachment. Be curious. Let go of reactionism. Question your expectations. Let a place impact you. Find your own best self in the process of just living life. I cannot say I am an expert at anything I write in the public sphere. I can say, I was born curious about being awake and in community, and I keep working on letting go of expectations and unconscious historic conditioning. It’s the messy middle, and it’s beautiful in the bigger picture- LIFE!

        • Well said. Although you side-stepped some of the main issues of Portland, maybe that was a good idea; avoiding the reactionary and overly critical poor me crap. Hopefully we can all be the change we want to see in this world more and more, letting go of expectations and finding peace with what is while working for a better future. Peace be on your heart and life!

    • Don’t waste your time EM. PORTLANDERS ARE HANDS DOWN THE MOST MYOPIC, PROVINCIAL AND CHAUVINISTIC PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY…. they actually believe that Portland is the center of the universe. No one from Portland ever leaves & there’s a rampant generational nepotism that keeps everyone from Portland in the very same place as where they started. Most have the same group of friends that they did in Grade School. Portland never really ever travel either, unless it”s with their group…. they stay in their Portland bubble even on vacation. Anyone that actually leaves Portland returns promptly as they are unprepared to compete anywhere else. All of the foregoing is particularly true of those from the “West Hills”; the inbreeding there has been going on for over a century.

      • I am originally from California but lived here in Portland from 1976 until 1996, then the next 22 years in San Diego and Phoenix. I have been to the Great Pyramids of Egypt all through Europe, Mediterranean countries and took a Turkish bath in Istanbul Turkey with friends from all places I’ve lived. I came back to Portland in 2018 and love Portland, the people are not different than anywhere else. If cloudy wet winters get to you, you won’t like it. I do have a problem with the long winters here in Portland so now that I’m retired, I leave for a month or two in the winters for sunnier and warmer climates. Portland is like every other city in this world, you make it what it is.

  22. Yea I have 2 people I would call my real friends in Portland. I thought there was something wrong with me because I cannot make friends with anyone here in portland. I have no idea why no one likes me. I have a job a super cool little dog and I am NICE! One of my friends described me as one of the friendliest people he’s ever known.
    Glad I found this page.

  23. I too find this a cathartic page, so thanks. I moved here 20 years ago from Santa Cruz. Newly married and totally priced out of my home town
    , Portland seemed like a good place to check out. Having lived in San Diego and San Francisco for college, Portland was for a time a really good choice for us. I enjoyed the college town, mostly educated liberal vibe. We knew people here, and that certainly helped us network and get to know enough like-minded friends that we mostly avoided the pitfalls of trying to start over from scratch.

    We decided we’d try it for two years and then reevaluate. After two years we were gainfully employed and mostly happy. We bought a cute bungalow in NE for $150K. Frequent trips to both SoCal and NorCal and Central Oregon certainly helped us through the s**tty winters. Soon we were parents and were planted at home. This is when the discontent with PDX began.

    Being a new dad, working all week and having my son all weekend as my wife worked exposed me to a Portland I was previously oblivious to. First, the weather sucks. Getting out with the kid was always a ton of prep: rain? Sun? Wind? Hail? All the above? Going to swim lessons with all the fake poser parents in their fleece vests and Outback wagons and trying to make connections was really difficult. Judgements came down on what snacks I was feeding my kid, my coffee choices, exposing him to breweries ( I’m a brewer) etc. I wanted my kid to grow up doing kid stuff- being adventurous, not being wrapped in a cold upper middle class bubble wrap where everything is safe and everything is muted.

    Granted this trend of parenting is everywhere but I swear it’s worse here. PDX parents are afraid to sternly redirect or god- forbid punish their kids. At a particular kid- friendly brewery we would marvel at the upside down world where the two year olds were in charge of the ineffectual dads.

    Once my son was old enough to venture downtown with me, go on bike rides, to Timbers matches, etc. it seemed the core safety and cleanliness of downtown was beginning to vanish. He saw a lady shooting up, a guy beating up another guy, dealt with aggressive panhandlers. He became and still is hesitant to go downtown. This sucks.

    I’ve had some success getting to know and hang out with others dads from his school. Most are ok guys, and you can always find common ground over a beer or sports or fishing. I say this next thing entirely out of my own experience and is in no means meant as a sexist commentary: my wife (who is very likable ) had a totally different experience with the cliquey moms. Again that judginess about organic produce, screen time, bed times, etc.. I talked about this with friends in Ca, and they all just shook their heads incredulously. The facade of chill, cool, welcoming people. So many uptight judgmental and aloof people in Portland.

    Now, can we rant about taxes?! I’m fortunate to have been here long enough to climb the property ladder on a modest income. We have a nice home in a good neighborhood and amazingly the schools don’t suck. However, our streets are full of potholes, we have few sidewalks, and we pay about $600 a month in property taxes! Yep 10% of our income. Where does it all go Portland?! I have friends who live just outside the city limits and they pay 1/2 of our tax bill for a comparable home. We are thinking of cashing out and moving. I don’t know how younger people can possibly afford a home here!?

    Sick of the traffic, we literally moved to the west side to avoid it. Sick of weather, we get out of town as much as we can in the s**tty season. Sick of fake, aloof, judgemental people. Sick of insane taxes.

    We stay because we have a good core group of friends who feel the same way, have kids who would kill us if we moved now… but once they are grown up- we are out of here.

    • 1979 Portland when I lived there was not yet Calif ornicated’s it was a provincial city with remnants of 1950s america now it is unrecognized probably started downhill after 89 bay quake

      • Everyone blames Californians for their own lack of hospitality. It’s your fault things got ugly; you’re the intolerant ones.

  24. I’m just going to say if you’re Californian or have moved from California to Portland and you dislike it, unless you have the money to pick and choose what you’re going to do with yourself in Portland (i.e. you’re independently wealthy) do not stay in Portland longer than 18 months. The discrimination is so, so bad towards Californians. I know it seems like a huge loss financially if you’re middle income to working poor, and it’s so hard to not be mad at yourself for not trying harder but I’m just telling you it does not get better. If you love it and have a network congratulations, but anyone struggling with this, you’re not crazy and you’ll probably lose more money staying (because you ARE being discriminated against) than leaving and getting back on track.

  25. Portland was the place I wanted to go to so that I could clear my mind and work on my craft quietly. I’ve been here for a good solid 3 years and have been trying to head for the exit ever since arriving. You hear from people, you hear from the media, “Move to Portland, OR! Theres an abundance of nature and creatives.” As soon as I arrived here from Boston, Portland was the exact thing I was trying to escape from. People are definitely not friendly here, no matter what they tell you. Theres a big misconception between “actually friendly” and “I need to be polite for my image”. Thats called fake nice or just straight up fake. The amount of yuppies, trust fund babies, passive, and social justice bulls**t bothers me. I’m an asian person from the projects in Boston and I’ve dealt with my fair share of racism back home. In diversity, everyone handles it with their head held high and together. Without diversity, you got white people constantly making up scenarios for everyone out of the blue instead of talking to actual non-whites. Also, it seems like most of the non-whites in Portland are not in touch with themselves. What I mean by that is – they play the token card in a group of all white people, playing into stereotypes to a higher degree. Again, this is due to the lack of diversity. I thought I could love this place, as a world wide traveler, I thought I could be-friend other creatives here but I was wrong. Sometimes I think people talk too much here instead of getting things done. They talk about their plans, what they’re working on, who they know and yet – nobody is getting paid. Nobody has a drive here, a hustle mentality. My belief is because the amount of trust fund babies out here didn’t come from a struggle of finances. My immigrant parents had to create something out of nothing in order to have the life they do now. I am working hard constantly to carve out my path. I love striking up a conversation with genuine people. I’ve found the small pocket of others like myself and once the finances look right, I am getting out of this limbo mess.

    This place is a city of vices, limbo, depression, and laziness. Everyone is on a substance and can’t enjoy life as it is. The weather stays super cloudy and dark in the winter which seems like a limbo. You get depressed because everyone is depressed and bummed out about their wack a$$ jobs. The summers are full of tourists that trash this city and give out handouts to the homeless so that they can feel mighty about themselves. Nobody is getting helped because of homeless issue here is a addiction issue, not a housing issue. The government in PDX cares more about new condos and apartments rather than helping a big cause. I’m sick and tired of the racism here too. Theres friggin flyers everywhere saying everyone is welcome yet I feel the hate when I walk into a room. Its a white utopia so I get it, like a giant suburb. People move here to be like everyone else, away from diversity. The food isn’t even that great either, its all fusion and overpriced. I just want people to admit Portland isn’t the center of the Earth. Its so dystopian that you’ll see a homeless dude shooting up and passed out in front of you and even then people will say “I love it here!!! I would never want to leave!”

    I just want to do hikes with my dog and just live quietly til I have money saved up so I can finally be free from this prison.

    • I’m in the same boat man. Lived here about 10 years ago and now that I’m back it’s definitely more crowded and everybody seems like they’ve had it with traffic and homeless. I realized I made a mistake not too long after signing lease.

      So now my plan is similar to yours. Take the opportunity to get out in the wilderness and just keep my head down and work hard with the thought of getting out. I’m a fellow creative person and I thought that coming here would help my career when in fact it seems like I will just be working to pay rent.

    • Everything you said is 100% right dead on about Portland. I moved here to be a writer 9 years ago and accomplished that and had three books published in my 30s. Yet you meet SO MANY people who talk and talk and talk about how they could be a writer and don’t do anything. They’re just wannabes who like to talk. And let me tell ya, being a writer isn’t so great. But it’s still better than being a stoned drunk who drinks in a bar every night, yet knows everything. And the competition and jealousy from OTHER writers out here is nasty. Like you said, “I need to be polite for my image”, but they’re actually the nastiest people you’ll ever encounter. Smiles and praise right to your face but they’re actually just trying to use you to see if your connections can get them ahead. Also – most of them have no talent. They’re just in it to try to be cool without any actual ability.

      The racism is ridiculous. I’m from Phoenix where half of my friends were Native American or Mexican, and Philadelphia where half of my friends were black and even some of my relatives are. It almost feels like a lot of Portlanders have never even SEEN a person of color before. And yet they are the foremost EXPERTS on race relations, ask any of them. And any single colored person in a scene of all whites is treated like ROYALTY by them because of their white guilt from social media. And hey, that’s fine, enjoy the free drinks and apologies from them and laugh at what a joke everyone is. Only city I’ve ever been in where whites don’t treat every one else like normal people.

      On the plus side I lived in Phoenix for a long time so I absolutely love the weather. The sun didn’t shine for 8 months when I moved here and I was in heaven.

      Too bad the people here are all fake pieces of s**t.

      • Interesting, because I did the exact opposite of where you go: I went to Phoenix after spending 3 months in Portland OR trying to find a job and to no avail. The media keeps on fawning over Portland on how there are oh so many creatives around the area, but little did I know that the area is hyper competitive and saturated for work that you must get a magna cum whatever in design degree, or go to networking events and suck up people just to get slim possibility of getting a job. Not an actual job, but a slim possibility because you have no idea when the other party will remember you and recruit you. For this I like to put it in a pretty crude way: You have to suck the right dick to get a job in the area.

        Then there’s the junkies, homeless camps and the far-left SJW ideology. It’s not uncommon to see homeless camps littering around the city, and they refused to seek help because the bleeding hearts who run the city thinks this is ‘dehumanizing’ and we should let them run free range instead. A pretty jarring example is I saw a man holding a piece of cardboard paper saying “Proud to be homeless and unsolicited”.

        However, for all of its flaws, I do miss their public transportation system TriMet. The bus system, as well as the MAX light rail, makes the city very accessible for those who don’t have a car, which, unlike in Phoenix, is very spread out and the only other way to get around the city is by Uber, and these can cost up to $45 per one-way trip.

    • Dear LK, my heart goes out to you! Fellow Bostonian here. We DO NOT transplant well, nor do we suffer the passive aggressive behavior that permeates every single interaction! That was one of the biggest struggles I experienced while in Portland.I have escaped from there – I’m home now- or close enough- Southern New Hampshire- and raising my kids in a place without a 67% high school graduation rate. My husband has family out there – I was talking to my SIL and she was asking if we wanted to go back out next summer for vacation. Nope… I’m good ..I will stay on this side of the Mississippi.

    • You know….. When I travel to asia I dont ask for or expect diversity. Its asia, i expect to see asians. Portlands a white town with alot of douchebag white liberal rich kids. Get over it or move

    • Same! Originally from Boston but came here via San Francisco, New York, Virgin Islands…… this is like a backwards move for me and it took me 5 years to figure it out. You are spot on about all this! I’m moving back to Boston with my boyfriend to be close to my mom and have conversations with non passive aggressive people.

  26. I was going to add that I work in a tourism industry and I am SO grateful as it is the only thing that keeps me going here.

    I know this sounds strange but I absolutely love getting to interact with outside visitors all day because (a) they are so much more fun and vibrant than the locals and (b) these conversations are my vicarious escape, and I feel that with each one I get closer to finalizing my escape plans. So often I’ll be chatting it up with these cool outdoorsy types from somewhere else who embody the *IMAGE* that they think Portland is but isn’t, and I just want to scream out to them “Take me with you!!!” and then when they start going on about how beautiful and chill everything is here and how they’re thinking about coming out permanently from Nashville or Orange County or Atlanta or wherever they’re from I want to blurt out “IT’S A TRAP! DON’T DO IT!” What I fear happens is people come here and they go out to the Gorge, the Coast, maybe Bend, downtown, and all they can talk about is how chill all the people are. Not realizing that in these travels, they’ve been immersed in a bubble of almost exclusively *other tourists* and have been cleverly shielded from the locals.

    • That is a fantastically good point. And makes me realize why I fell prey to the Portland trap when I consider myself a fairly good reader of character. It’s definitely the vibe of the tourists that give Portland any kind of energy at all

  27. I am so glad I found this page. I feel less alone.

    Born and raised Portlander. Been back 5 years.

    And clearly leaving changed me. In the long term I hope for the better, short term definitely for the worst.

    I simply can’t readapt to this culture.

    -Not In My Backyard Culture
    -The absolute hypocrisy of being so vehemently anti-Trump and pro-immigration, except to Portland, where there is this palpable hatred for Californians whose roots I think are rooted in obvious jealousy and insecuritty.
    -Safety First culture gone so far overboard, a sort of extremely stifling paranoia that permeates communities, I’m pretty sure I’ve had cops called or neighbors follow me multiple times for simply walking down a residential street with a backpack. It’s very easy to stand out, in a not good way, due to the homogeneity of the people who are deeply fearful of “different”
    -Most depressing weather in the world and the attitude that either (a) comes with it or (b) is attracted to a hellhole like this. Someone else alluded to this, this sort of attitude of resentment toward vitality, toward strength, charisma, good looks, crabs-in-a-bucket mentality where it seems you’ll be pulled down if you look like you’re trying to fly too high in life, at work, wherever.
    -Self-important little martyrs. Hard to really explain. You run into these little disputes, whether about traffic, driving, some stupid happens-in-every-neighborhood issue like dog poop, or speed limits, or – you name it, if it’s a tiny little issue, it gets raised – and people lose their minds with these self-righteous little rants about rules and regulations and rights and f**king blah blah blah bulls**t and you just get the sense that a lof of these people live very small, insular, lame, self-limiting lives and you dare not challenge this ever.
    -Just not fun? Again hard to explain until you get here but you go several months feeling this deep void and you’re not sure what it is but it’s everywhere. The quality of people, of conversations, the little s**t, small talk and whatnot … so vanilla, so devoid of passion, spontaneity, things I took for granted in other places. Many people, EXCEPT for transplants many of whom I get along great with, just flat-out aren’t fun. I think that’s why they become Social Justice Warriors, it’s to kind of transfer the misery and pretend they’re all about something really important and deep, it’s a coping mechanism for what they know about themselves deep down.
    -Image projection – people had great words for this, something like “conspicuous conservation” where people need to be seen and recognized for doing pedestrian things that seem woke. It’s not really about social justice, or saving the Earth, but making other people understand that you deserve to be recognized as a person who cares deeply about these things, even though a closer inspection of your resume might show that you spend more energy on bumper stickers advertising your passion for change than actually affecting meaningful change.
    -People on this thread may disagree because I’ve seen lots of people bitch about the homeless. But I was going to say “bitching about the homeless.” I really don’t think the so-called “homeless problem” is really the problem. First off, have you ever been to any other West Coast city’s Skid Row? We do NOT have a homeless problem when you really put things in perspective. Not even close. I think Portland has a humongous scapegoat problem and the issues run way, way, way deeper than dispossesed people sleeping on Burnside St.
    -A general lack of support or collaboration? This one is also hard to explain but I am in business for myself. And I’m appalled by how very little support you actually get as a local business from other businesses. There seem to be this sort of cliquiness of white people who have these massively funded businesses that are specifically engineered to “appear” like these cute little mom and pops brands when they’re clearly not. Then you have *real* mom & pops brands getting shunned and shat on and shut out by their fellow oligopoly of fake mom & pops. Then I leave Portland and it’s a 180-degree shift. Other small business people in other cities around the NW show nothing but love and support, spread the word, plug me in with valuable leads, grease the wheels, etc, it’s totally a “give a hand up” culture in most of the PNW whereas PDX is totally this “I kind of hope you fail because you threaten me and I wish I’d thought of that first” vibe.

    f**k dude, I could go on and on and on. Another poster nailed it on the head. You start feeling like you’re crazy if you don’t conform to it but if you’ve been outside, you realize there’s something crazy, and soul-sucking, about the place itself. I’ve been back 5 years and now somewhat afraid to leave. It’s like being in an abusive relationship, you know you need to get the f**k out but it hammers your confidence over time and you almost get scared to leave. “But I have this job…” “Maybe I’m the problem…” you keep coming up with all these fake rationales, as if maybe PDX isn’t so bad after all and you yourself are the problem, then the moment you touch down in a new place you fully realize that yes, no question about it, Portland itself was definitely the problem and there are so many way way cooler places in this country you can call home for way less money.

    • I hope you get out soon. Couldn’t agree more. I’m an intense personality from Queens, NY and had to basically neuter myself to get by.

      You also sound WAY smarter and more interesting than the lot of Portlanders I’ve met.

    • “Self-important little martyrs”- I think this is really the worst thing about Portland. When I lived there I often thought about how sad I felt for the kids growing up in Portland. I remember as a teen doing stupid stuff like taking a cup at 7/11, filling it up with a bit of Slurpee, then throwing it away as we giggled about how “bad” we were being. My guy friends joking around loudly in the downtown area, some of them skateboarding. Us ding dong ditching. None of that stuff, I think, would ever fly in Portland. As soon as some dumb kid tried to pull the Slurpee “trick” he’d have a middle aged, red-faced-with-rage man screaming in his face. There is such a lack of tolerance for the slightest perceived “stepping out of line” behavior, about the most irrelevant things. I’m not saying it’s great to steal Slurpees, but there’s a certain amount of very minor teenage rebellion that can be healthy and in some ways prevent kids from crossing the line into heavier stuff (if you feel like a badass for eating 30 cents of unpaid Slurpee, that probably scratches the “rebellion” itch in many ways). But absolutely no stepping out of line is tolerated in Portland, and is in fact treated with such a level of violence that I think it’s quite frightening and can be quite confining and bad for one’s development. It can very easily lead a young person, eager to be out in the world, to be afraid of the world- and rightfully so, if that’s what they’re facing when they make a small mistake.

    • So accurate! Great points, and they’re all true.
      I wish I’d met you while I was still there. I never felt so lonely in my entire life.
      Finally, after two years in this abusive city, I’m out.
      Now will have to cope with the trauma.
      On a positive note: here, people are normal. They’re not married to the tiny little codes
      and you’re free to be yourself. People here actually express themselves, communicate with you directly and are curious to get to know you.

      Get out of Portland, save yourselves!

    • haha pretty funny and many things are true. The “I am a hiker” stereotype which I particularly hate, which means “I dont do sh*t”. That being said, I have to tell you, things like quality of people have to be put in perspective as well. I am a transplant, and moved from South Florida and people there reaaally suck. Rude, indifferent, drive like complete psychopaths, violent and incredibly devoid of culture. Try striking a meaningful conversation there and it will end up in what car you drive or what brand of clothes you use. No place is perfect.

    • My best friends out here are from St. Louis and Baltimore. I’ve tried and failed many times to have relationships with native Portlanders. The friendships always fall apart once I get to know them and see them for what they really are. Shallow.

  28. The comments on here are just gold. I stopped going anywhere close to downtown years ago unless I absolutely have to. It is probably one of the worst laid out cities I have ever been in. Anyway, this site came up when I googled what was happening at OMSI tomorrow so apparently OMSI sucks now as well. Guess my son’s school feild trip tomorrow is gonna be lit!

  29. Like others have said, I cannot make friends here. People seem to have zero interest in getting to know anyone. I’ve had countless great dinner/ party conversations with strangers, exchanged info, then reached out to my new friends and gotten no reply.

    I even joined a Meetup group billed for people with my interests, but only one person even seemed remotely willing to chat with me about anything at all. The others couldn’t be bothered to talk to me, and one outright said she wasn’t interested in the group’s focus. Everyone is so standoffish! The only people I can find with ANY social skills are transplants, mainly from the South or the East Coast. On behalf of Oregon, THANK YOU for coming to our state and offsetting the dead-eyed horde.

    Also, the Meetup community in general sucks. Apart from being filled with apathetic hermits, 90% of what’s available is along the lines of “join us for ther-wordutic dream journaling!” or other New Age topics, which is great if you’re into that I guess.

    And hold up, I’m going to be frank with my fellow authors for a moment. If you’re looking for a critique group, I hope you enjoy bringing a few pages of your FIRST DRAFT to READ ALOUD each meeting! Because there’s nothing like wasting a few hours rotating from one untrained narrator to another, struggling to comprehend the words droning at you from whatever chapter the group’s on even if you’ve no idea what the novel’s about.

    Oh, what’s that? You like being able to READ submissions and give detailed critiques? HAHAHAHA. Try joining a serious-sounding group instead, filled with 56 members … who can’t be bothered to schedule a meeting after agreeing they should months ago.

    Welcome to PDX. I’m so, so sorry.

    • I have no friends. Everybody is very “surface” friendly. I know the main issue I have is that I don’t text or use a smart phone…god forbid you have to pick up the phone to make plans.

  30. This entire board is very cathartic I have to admit. I really can’t say anything about Portland that hasn’t been said, factually speaking (dislike of weather, traffic, taxes, liberals who aren’t tolerant / kind, and the people in general), but I will say I was born in Portland and spent much of my life here. The five years I spent in LA, it wasn’t the city for me, but I really loved the energy of the people I met and it was invigorating, something I never experienced in Portland where it seems the biggest ambition is just getting a McJob and having a couple of kids. I’ve felt basically as some other people have said, like my soul was dying in this city. Nothing in common with anyone, feel trapped inside, like life is passing me by. We finally had enough – I was ready to move long ago but waited for my girlfriend (wife this September) – and we bought a house in Henderson, NV. It’s more my style, a 24/7 culture with lots of sun, no income taxes, low traffic, and lots of entertainment. It already feels like I’m getting my life back and I’m so excited to move this summer when the house completes. Our house is for sale already and we’re mostly packed, ready to go. I won’t miss anything about Portland and if it weren’t for my dad I’d never return.

  31. I’m really glad that I found this forum because honestly it’s been so validating to read about so many peoples negative experiences in Portland. I think my situation is a little different from everyone else’s because I am not in a “professional” field; I am a older college student who has only worked in the food service industry. I came to Portland from the Bay Area after some friends of mine died in a warehouse fire when I lived in a different warehouse. I lived there because I couldn’t possibly afford an apartment and stay in school, and Portland seemed like the only affordable option on the West Coast ( I don’t think people in Portland realize how desperate the housing situation has gotten in other West Coast cities for the working poor). I was not only scared for my safety living where I did, but at 30 wanted a normal life.

    Now that I am almost two years into living in Portland, I am so depressed and a big part of that is because of the people. When I first got here I heard the anti-Californian rhetoric virtually everywhere. Even the guy who helped me open my checking account told me “soon Portland will be all you people”. It was truly hurtful to be treated with such hostility when all I wanted was a bare bones decent life in my 300 square foot apartment.

    I have worked at many popular restaurants here and the people I have worked with have frankly shocked me. In addition to being completely rude to customers, my coworkers have just been so cold and stand offish I truly don’t know how to handle it. An example: a coworker or myself will show up to a shift and literally no one will acknowledge them. I’m used to at least welcoming someone by saying hi or good morning or whatever, but people will just ignore them completely. I’ve been hired and started jobs and no one will even introduce themselves, including my managers. Not to mention my coworkers would drink on the job and never wash their hands. In the Bay Area it was the standard to be service forward, but here my coworkers would ignore customers by being on their phones and it was completely acceptable.

    In general, I honestly feel like the people I’ve met here lack basic social skills and it can make me feel like I am crazy; like everything around me is wrong but everyone thinks it’s right. I want to leave so bad but I know the smart thing to do is finish my BA first so that I can put food service behind me once and for all. I really can’t understand the people here and it makes me so depressed to deal with rude, entitled people on a daily basis.

    The last thing that I would like to say has been addressed already: the anti California rhetoric is so ignorant coming from people that claim to embrace diversity and hard left politics. Portland and Oregon as a whole have been historically racist, whereas California is extremely diverse and was once a part of Mexico. I would argue that by saying Californians shouldn’t come to Portland or are ruining Portland is essentially saying that Portland isn’t as homogeneous and white as it once was and that is what “natives” really have a problem with.

    For any die hard Portlanders reading: I don’t want to be here and when I can leave I WILL.

    • I also know someone who died in the ghost ship.

      Hang in there. It does get better. I’ve been reaching out to other newcomers and am starting to develop a small group of friends. It’s taken three years.

    • You seem like a decent person and I hope that you find a housing situation that works for you soon. Oregonians railing against Californians moving here is textbook projection. People in the NW suck.

    • I’m living this every day. I left California years ago because I had two jobs just to eat and live and just wanted a basic life, and people were not friendly. At first they’d be nice but then I realized I had no friends. I cry every time I get on a plane from visiting California to go back to Oregon because I work in a restaurant with people who are always on drugs and I feel like I’m crazy for being a hard worker. It’s not fun to be in Portland I’d youre ambitious or driven.

    • You are not alone. This is supposed to be a “woke” and “inclusive” city but it is far from it. This last week I went back to my home state of Michigan and I couldn’t believe the contrast. People say high on the street, make eye contact, hold doors, and are overall friendly. This from a city that people view as a terrible place. When Detroit has more class than Portland it would say that Oregon has a long way to go. Event political debate their was easier. Folks I spoke with were willing to explore both sides of a debate when here in Portland they scream and call you nazi if you deviate from their cliche rhetoric. I am sorry your experience has been so terrible here but again, you are not alone. Portland is racists, impolite, and the land of my s**t don’t stink only because I stay up wind.

    • I am visiting Portland for the first time and I am from the bay area as well. I’m truly sorry to hear about the way you have been feeling and hope you find a few people here you can connect with before you make your move out of here. I agree with everything you wrote and as a visitor I have been treated with very unwelcoming attitudes and was given a dirty look when I accidentally got in the wrong place in line at this pretentious yogurt shop. It’s like you can’t make a mistake here! I don’t understand why people here find it difficult to be kind. The few instances of kindness I’ve been met with here were clearly VERY contrived unfortunately. This place feels like a utopia and although I’ve been trying to just enjoy some of the food and nature here with friends, I can’t help but be so baffled and disappointed!

      I wish you the best of luck with all that’s ahead for you. You won’t be here forever.

      • Your analysis is correct.
        You CANNOT MAKE MISTAKES in this lame city. You MUST follow the rules and the irrational social codes of fake niceness, and shun everyone else if they don’t conform.
        The righteousness of these miserable people is unbelievable.
        A sense of freedom? Liberty? Flexibility?
        Not in Portland.

  32. I lived in Portland for almost all my life , born and raised.. I am 73 no and have seen it go downhill just about every year. I jumped ship to Wa State 30 years ago when I saw the way Portland politics was headed. With the roads, freeways, liberal stance that was being taken, misguided funds from one thing to another masstraset that had to be funded on the backs of the taxpayers the promise of the lottery to fund SCHOOLS that never happened but supported bigger government along with MONEY spent over and over in regards to a new I-5 bridge telling the taxpayers it would fix the traffic problems when it is another false statement as the new bridge would bring only more congestion into Portland southbound and add to another bottleneck. Mass transit is still being funded by Oregon taxpayers. This is just a drop in the bucket as to the problems in Portland not to mention the PROTESTERS, HOMELESS, GANGS,AND NO ONE WILLING TO TAKE THE BULL BY THE WAY HORNS AND REALLY DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO STOP WHAT IS HAPPENING IN FEAR OF LOSING THEIR POLITICAL SEAT IN ALL OF OREGON REGARDLESS OF DEMS OR REPUBLICAN.

  33. My God I could write a lengthy tome on the topic and I’ve only been here a year. It’s truly an awful city. I’ve lived around the country and abroad, and it’s my opinion that Portland OR ranks dead last The people suck, the music scene sucks, the cops are f**king horrible

    But this pathological self centeredness, I.ME.MINE…and the place wreaks of the obnoxious odor of mendacity if I may borrow a phrase.

    • Mendacity, this is very true. I think my alarm bells went off constantly, either people are on drugs, phony, hating Californians, truly creepy men, I could go on, but it’s a constant sense you’re being lied to and the Oregonian wants power over you. To put you down, to be in control, not sure and don’t care because I left, but if you happen to feel a constant stress that feels like insecurity but not quite, it’s your brain telling you you’re in danger because this person and many other people there are lying to you. Maybe you can get past it if you stay long enough but I really don’t want to be comfortable with a culture that chooses to lie and exploit someone for any reason.

  34. Portland is the asshole of the earth. Was out there on a business trip and decided to go to Ringside for a good steak. Just outside the restaurant was a junkie passed out with a needle hanging out of his arm. Called 911 and they didn’t seem overly concerned. An hour later he was still there. Called 911 again. They again had a “we’ll get there when we get there” attitude, and he may have been dead. Aggressive homeless people kept us from staying to help.

    People were rude, weather sucked, traffic really sucked. Typical liberal “utopia” after 30 years of degradation. Nobody cares to take care of anything because it’s all community property, and someone else will take care of it.

    Bunch of liberals that either: 1) Can afford to be to hold back the lazy horde (or) 2) Can’t afford not to be with all the free stuff. No morals. Horrible people. Not real Americans that strive for independence.

  35. These are a couple things that are “weird” to me, which I had the misfortune of observing within the last few days:

    Two guys ride down the sidewalk on scooters, not side by side taking up the whole path but in a row. Another guy standing outside smoking, not in their path or anywhere near being run into, mutters “f**k you” twice, as each scooter passes, in the snarkiest, most under-the-breath passive aggressive hostility for no reason I have ever seen. Sure the scooters look dumb but really what were they actually doing to you??

    Then, an anarchist guy with a bandana pulled over his nose and mouth like he’s preparing to get tear-gassed at a riot is stalling in an intersection riding his fixie bike around in circles. A car approaches and slows down and waits. As the anarchist guy rides past the car he flicks it off and shouts some kind of unintelligible insult. For no reason!

    I just can’t.

  36. Goodness I’m glad I found this thread. I’m from the PNW, moved here from Seattle two months ago and I’m already taking my steps to prepare to move back before any more time is wasted. Biggest mistake I’ve made in years! I moved here because I desperately needed change, was displaced, and had become very negative of the development that ruined classic Seattle (Portlanders whining about growth, have you even been to Seattle in the last 5 years? Do you have anything like the magnitude Amazon here? No? Then STFU, there are a few new condos in your town, you don’t really have problems and you’ll be ok).

    I will go back to my acceptable salary in Seattle (if these months in Portland don’t prove to be career kiss of death) and find a way—any way—to suck up the $1500 rent over what I have experienced in Portland.

    Now—I don’t believe in the blanket statements putting down all people of Portland and Oregon. Come on—it’s not true of anywhere that every citizen is bad or the same. There are things I like about Portland: bars serve real food into late night, cute venues and cafes, and I love dive bars. I respect the working class roots of the place too. The city services have been pretty supportive in my process getting set up. And I like the rain—I’m from Seattle. That’s about where it ends.

    The constant complaints by locals about growth. Ok coming from a city that actually has been developed to a point no one who built their life there and made it what it was in the first place—a dynamic, educated, beautiful place for Bezos to come take a massive s**t—can afford to stay… I get the fear that the same thing will happen to Portland. Well, I didn’t move here into a $1700 new condo or steal a coveted below-market find from a Portlander…. I live with 3 housemates, that’s how I afforded the move. Some growth is a good thing, some change is a good thing, new blood is a good thing, it keeps the ecosystem healthy. Just look to science for proof of this—the healthiest organisms are those that bred with diversity, not inbred. So quit bitching that work, school, marriage, friends, life changes—activities most people engage in—bring folks out of their hometowns and to a new place. The development is really not bad here compared to literally any other US city.

    The whiteness. My god. Is all the hate of Californians just code for “keep Portland white,” you know, since California is such a diverse state?

    And here is a metaphor. Waiting for the Max southbound toward Milwaukie the other evening, I observed a southbound train slow to a halt by me on the platform… and yet… it was on the other side of a chain link with no way to cross over and enter. I checked and double-checked, and yes I was standing in the correct place for boarding. I observed another couple down the platform, also presumably boarding the southbound Max, who seemed completely indifferent that a train was stopping yet we were barred by a chain from entering. Ok. Fifteen minutes later, some Max employees step off a northbound train, get onto the road and call over to us to get on that train, because it’s actually the northbound train that’s headed south, not the southbound train. Oh, how obvious! Stupid me! And this is a metaphor for the backward mindf**k I have experienced since stepping foot in this place.

    Seriously every interaction leaves me reeling as if hallucinating, just trying to understand where I am and WTF is going on.

    My housemates are indifferent and apathetic to everything. One (a “native” Portlander) neglects her cat to the point of abuse, and I am the only one who winds up taking care of him. I am hoping to adopt him and bring him back to Seattle with me. It’s headed into late November and we have no heat because we have to arrange for an oil company to come drop a cannister of oil for the 1915 furnace. I have brought it up with my housemates many times—hey, anyone interested in going in on some heat? I can’t pay for it all myself and do ALL the work to arrange it… who’s with me? No response. Someone moves out and it’s a week before rent is due and we have an open room. Should we try to fill it? Sure? Cool, I’ll do ALL the work to get it filled then, because I don’t wanna pay an extra fourth of the rent, don’t know about you. And everything just goes in such a way. I was on a campaign to deep clean the filthy house in my first month, but after getting the areas I use clean enough I at least didn’t want to kill myself ever time I walked in the room, I gave up because no one else cares how dysfunctional their living environment is. In over two months not one of my housemates has asked me once how I’m doing, what I’m up to, how I’m liking Portland, how my transition has been. These people literally just do not care about anything but their own little worlds.

    Can’t stand the constant griping everywhere about food sensitivities. Ya’ll know there are lots of people in the world with barely anything at all to eat, right? Just shut up.

    The sense of emptiness, apathy, resignation. I for one do not want to work in the food industry. Nothing wrong with it at all, but it’s all anyone does here! And they act like it’s a badge of prestige… “oh you got an interview at THAT bar? Whoa, it’s SO HARD to be cool enough to work at THAT bar!” Now, I have never made a salary above the 30’s in my life, so I am no enemy of the working man. But I don’t understand why aspiring to that and then sort of retiring into it is cool and hip. I am making $11 less an hour than I was in Seattle. Almost everyone I’ve encountered here would be ok with that, rather than seeing it as a huge step backward. No thanks, I am getting out and saving my career before all is lost!

  37. 1.The dog owners who refuse to use a leash, even when asked. 2. The white people who call themselves natives. Are you Chinook? I didn’t think so. 3. The schools. 4. The crazy long hold times (9 minutes) when you call 911 to report things like meth addict running around with a knife at the playground. 4. The lead levels in the water in half the city. 5. The lack of garbage/recycle receptacles. 6. People thinking it’s liberal when it’s libertarian. 7. Needles needle needles. 8. The service at most places: 9. Thinking it’s okay that people can pop tents anywhere. Create some shelters. 10. People thinking that Portland has good services. It doesn’t. It takes way more Federal taxes thn it puts in. It has crap servic s.

  38. It takes a really long time to accept this and it might be more than once to really accept it but eventually after leaving you see that you’re really mad at ignorant people that can’t see they’re ignorant…which they can’t. Because they’re ignorant. Don’t beat your head against a wall. That’s all it is.

  39. Born and raised Oregonian right here.

    Why in the world it’s taken me so long to make plans to leave Portland is beyond me. I kept making excuses for the city I grew up in.

    I move in one year, and I’m counting down the days.

    I’ve been in countless relationships, both romantic and platonic, where I constantly run up against the lazy, apathetic, unmotivated, excuse-making, content with the “bohemian lifestyle” mentality, and I can’t take it anymore. I realized I have kept trying to drag people into things—businesses, creative ventures, traveling, exercising, etc.—and it’s exhausting. I’m tired of trying to convince people they should care about their lives.

    It seems like everyone has resigned themselves to a life of below mediocrity, waiting for the day UBI happens. People refuse to grow up and become adults.

    Express any thought other than mainstream liberalism and get bullied on social media (no one is leaving their house to hang).

    And everyone thinks it’s the greatest ever here—talking s**t about every other place.

    Enjoy your cesspool. I’m getting out of the swamp.

  40. My girlfriend and I just came back from Portland we were in awe of the natural beauty.
    Our perspective of Portland was good food, nice people and Beautiful scenery like we’ve never seen before. We wanna move over here! Portland is completely different than where we’re from. We’re trying to get the f**k out San Antonio it’s hot as f**k 104 the crime rate is high, I mean I just got car jacked at gunpoint last year. But reading all of these comments got me thinking is Portland really that bad or are most of y’all whiny little cowards?

    • I’m from central Texas, and I think it’s a lot harder to make friends in Portland. On the other hand, there aren’t as many born again Christians, and that’s really nice. Also, they aren’t as overtly racist. When it comes to racism, portlanders tend to think that their work is all done and they aren’t open to hearing about micro aggressions they might not even realize they are committing. So, it’s sort of a toss up. It’s really annoying when someone isn’t as woke as they think they are and they aren’t willing to accept feedback. At least Texans own their racism. And sexism.

      In Texas, there weren’t a lot of people who shared my world view, but at least I could find the few who existed. Here, no one wants to get to know me at all.

      The best thing about Oregon is that there are literally NO c**kroaches!

    • There is natural beauty. It’s true that if you’re coming from a smaller or more congested city, it can remain appealing. Buying in place of renting really helps. Having a car helps. Coming from an urban area – it can be extremely disappointing and limiting. The public schools are atrocious. The rudeness is 100% real but it is mostly directed at Californians and liberals from urban areas, NY etc. You may enjoy it but visit more than once, have a job and car.

    • Most of this forum is about 8 or 7 of the same people using several names, to be whiny. They have been whiny little somethings for over five years. This forum is a re-run of the same complaints. Portland has it’s issues, like every city does. It also has great food, beer, music, entertainment, parks. There are some really nice communities to live in. I’ve lived here for over 30 years. I’ve lived in the Gateway community, Alameda, and Mount Tabor. Each area I’ve made some lifelong friends, and got involved in volunteer work to help my community. The people here compete to come up with creative and new ways to express their general “ suckiness perspective” that comes from their own self.

      • How do you know? Are you the moderator? If you are it’s pretty unethical of you to comment that. If you aren’t well, here’s the thing, I lived in Portland and lost my entire life savings trying to simply live an average decent life and finding this forum was one of very few things that got me through. Since leaving Portland I’ve had steady employment, interviews for other options, and found my self esteem again. I don’t care if it’s 1 person or 1 thousand people I’m talking to. The 1 person that needs to see this does and knows somebody else cares, somebody else experienced what they are experiencing, and somebody else made it through and they can too.

        • Why are you personally defensive on this?

          How do you know I am not correct? Watch language pattern and syntax…as well as repeat stories and same misspellings. There are signature patterns you can’t miss.

          I stand by my belief.

    • I don’t think it’s THAT bad. I do agree with the fact that the homelessness and drug addiction is a real problem, but I’ve had really good experiences here. I personally think it’s better to live in a town that’s just outside the city, such as Tigard or Beaverton. It’s easier to socialize and I’m pretty sure the rent is cheaper, plus you can easily commute downtown if your job is there (even if traffic is not the best). I’ve never heard the thing about Californians as anything more than a joke, and I think the “antisocial-ness” that people are explaining, while I’ve never noticed it too much, is more about safety than anything, since drug addiction IS a problem here. But overall, I think it’s a great city even with its flaws.

  41. I hate how many new 500k condos and extremely expensive apartments are being built all over nonstop in areas such as sellwood that weren’t equipped to manage/hold them. The traffic situation continues to deteriorate year after year. People are not friendly. They’re almost stand-offish in that there’s never a “hello” from a person unless they’re your server or at a business you’re patronizing. Dating sucks. My dating apps are filled with the obligatory profiles that say “I’m new to Portland so who can show me around?!” Uh no thanks. The elitism and wealth has become more commonplace. Now you’re competing for jobs with transplants who are somehow more aggressive and self righteous about carving their place than you thought possible. Please don’t attack me I just needed to vent

    • So no one has “attacked” you what’s that say? You are not a unique unicorn being “native” to Portland, please check census data to understand the actual number of new residents versus the perceptions. Not sure why s**tting on someone new to a city and putting themselves out there on a dating app is polite but ok so don’t show anybody anything. $500k condos in Portland are basically for two income upwardly mobile Portland natives. There are several hundred homes at any given time listed at $300k and under in the area.

    • I agree been on the job hunt longer than I thought I would be because of transplants getting spat at whenever I walk on the west side of town because of my longer hair and lower middle class appearance this place is a nightmare of weirdos however I do like the eastside as its level of mobility is better and it isnt so far removed from old portland

  42. On more than one occasion I was followed by threateningly odd men. This was in the NW area. I wouldn’t say they were homeless, not that it matters, but they really seemed to be men that follow women. The only other place I’ve felt or noticed this type of behavior was in a highly tourist city.

    • Omg. I have been followed more on Portland than anywhere I’ve ever been. It started the first week i moved there in 1997. A gold car followed me around as i walked for so long that, with nothing else around, i stopped in at a car dealership and said something incomprehensible like “there’s that gold car following me around… in case I disappear.”

      It happened to me *everywhere* in that town. Once, i was walking up yamhill in the early evening to return a video to Video Underground on Belmont and 28th. At around 16th, an SUV started circling blocks i was walking. Finally it slowed to a crawl, rolled down the winfiw snd the man said “hey sport…” I yelled, “Do i look like a f**king *sport* to you?!” and took off back home.

      In the last few years there, I often walked home via burnside. If i was walking at night, i’d *always* get hassled. “Hey babydolll!” A friend of mine was almost pulled into a car that swerved up onto the sidewalk in front of her as she crossed Morrison bridge. She was a fighter, and they eventually left her alone.

      Living in PDX, i often questioned whether i haf just blanked out that other cities were the same. I could remember only 2 times being followed in Seattle, and both of those times were late at night in somewhat deserted areas. I’ve been back living up here (in Seattle) since 2007 and haven’t been followed or catcalled once.

      • I also was often followed, for a period almost daily when i walked my dog. Cars would slow down and be right along side me sometimes taking pictures. Very weird and scary! I lived 160th Ave. And Stark. In the hood. Had a beautiful condo though. Lots of homeless addicts and prostitutes. High crime area. Had a home invasion.

        • Why would getting old increase the likelihood women are followed??? Not that young women or girls being followed isn’t creepy as f**k but how is this a comeback????? I don’t know why I’m even bothering but this lack of awareness of how creepy y’all are would be what everyone is talking about…

  43. Virtue signaling is the PDX way of life.

    “Look at me! I have such fine character!
    I’m so woke! I eat sustainable artisanal foods! I recycle! Blahblahblah!!!”

        • Sometimes they use even more straws in their mouth and try to look like a walrus!
          People who use that many straws truly do suck! Wow! This is progress. Finally a reason for why Portland sucks. It’s been the fault of straws the whole time!

          Ok…I’m good for another 3 years. Nothing has changed. Same complaints. Same 8 or so people talking to themselves. The consistency is admirable.

    • Your use of “virtue signaling” has come to mean “I don’t give a damn about any person that doesn’t benefit me, and did I mention I’m a cold-blooded, racist psychopath?”

      It means “I don’t give a f**k about anyone but myself. MAYBE I care a LITTLE BIT about people, but only if they’re EXACTLY like me. Also, anyone who cries over me beating puppies to death, by using kittens as a flail, is just a snowflake crybaby who needs a whaambulance. Have I mentioned how much I hate disabled people?”

      …just letting you know.

      • No. It’s like the term “conspicuous conservation”. It’s when people are on their best behavior when they think the behavior will be seen by others. So, in public, someone might signal virtue by refusing a straw at Starbucks, but in private, they might not bother separating the recyclables out of their garbage.

    • Very accurate. It’s all about presenting a fake image.

      I can’t wait to get out of this abusive city.
      So many times I was shunned because I had, god forbid, different views on politics.
      Geez, there is no diversity whatsoever in thought and race.

      Cannot recall the number of times I was verbally attacked by entitled bike riders who took the whole rode to themselves, and forced me to drive behind at their speed. Cannot recall the times I saw two and sometimes three idiotic bike riders riding next to one another, blocking the whole lane for traffic, and if you honk the horn telling them to make room, they give you the finger and curse you.

      Cannot recall the number of times people were offended by direct communication. It is not socially acceptable here to be direct. They can’t handle it. There is no sense of connectedness or community, everything is so shallow and on the surface. No depth of relationships, no committal culture. What a rotten society.

      Flakes. Racists. Fakes. It’s all about showing an image of being woke and progressive. Nothing is real.

      They all think the same! And look the same with their stupid hipster pink/red/blue hair. They have no personality, passion or enthusiasm. Bunch of avoidant, incompetent zombies roaming around.

      The worst place I’ve ever lived, it’s completely draining. I don’t even have the will to go out and meet people, because from my 2-year experience here – I know they’re all the same, so why bother.

      Get out of here people, it’s not a place for authentic, free-thinkers. Save yourselves!

      • Omigosh, yes.

        “They all think the same! And look the same with their stupid hipster pink/red/blue hair. They have no personality, passion or enthusiasm. Bunch of avoidant, incompetent zombies roaming around.”

        I have thought and/or said the EXACT same thing about the citizens up there. Move to Portland if you want to lose any passion, zestiness, or spice in your personality or life. It is full of damp bleak blandness and overly self-conscious socially awkward frumpy fake-“woke” sheep. And yes, they really do all look alike especially in the inner core of the city. They pretend like they are worldly and socially conscious and diverse, but they are so immersed in their own tiny Portland bubble, not truly exposed to other cultures of ways of thinking.
        “Oh look at me, I am so woke because I can use chopsticks and know how to pronounce Dia de los Muertos.”

  44. Portland is simply white trash. Once you get far enough away you see how simple it is. Not the weather or the clothes although that can annoy you. No, it’s really simple, it’s just white trash and a job at Nike doesn’t change that. Nothing does.

  45. Portland drivers like to honk at everything. Someone is pulling out of a driveway a block away? HONK! Someone pulled in front of you, causing you to consider tapping your brakes? HONK! The driver in front of you waits for a little old lady to cross the street? HONK! Someone looks slightly squirrelly? HONK!

    I think this happens because portlanders are bitter, repressed human beings looking for passive aggressive outlets, and the car horn fits the bill.

  46. You people are out of your minds.

    I’m from New England originally, lived in NorCal for 5 years, and just moved to SE Portland. So far people have been remarkably open, kind, and even enthusiastic in talking to me. The only complaints I hear consistently are about traffic, and when I jokingly say “yeah, sorry about that I guess I’m part of the problem” (because i just moved here from california) they are always so quick to say something to make me feel welcome. Compared to Boston, the vibe among the public is like a Club Med. And compared to the Bay Area, your snotty liberals are like church deacons. I was concerned about moving here because I had heard “there are a lot of homeless people in portland” but, again, compared to california (hoards of homeless tweakers in even the small cities, in every public park, in every public library, under every bridge), this problem is hardly even worth mentioning.

    Also kinda sick of “the people are very white” being a complaint. Imagine someone complaining that LA is very hispanic, or Atlanta has too many black people? They’d lose all credibility instantly. People saying Portland “is the most racist city” or whatever are delusional, ignorant, or both. I’m not suggesting that its void of racism or that all those “we welcome all races religions species blah blah” reflect the 100% truth, or that there aren’t racists here, but people please, gain some perspective. I mean, right off the bat, this is one of the few cities i’ve seen that isn’t obviously/openly segregated on racial lines (like Boston, San Francisco/Oakland, Detroit, Chicago, Miami, New Orleans, etc). And if it stays white because people of other ethnic backgrounds “don’t want to live around all those white people” then can you really blame that on Portlanders?

    I think most of the complaints here must be about cities in general, because as far as cities go, this one is really clean, safe, and friendly. Not as clean, safe, and friendly as Portland Maine, but the population there is like 60k and the off-season is ice/snow armageddon every year.

    Good luck leaving this “hell hole” and finding your Shangri-la. I don’t know what you all think is out there, but I hope you find it.

    • Portlanders, specifically Oregon, outlawed African Americans from living in the state. So yes you really can blame that on the white people that live there. Specifically, “natives” and their stellar heritage. You make valid points but give it time and if you never experience the prejudice and rudeness others have, you’re lucky. Keep that streak going.

    • Dude you’re a dude. That’s probably white. That probably bought a house. That you can afford. Because you’re a white dude that’s lived in many cities. So you have a career that’s sustaining you in Portland or savings. Sooo nope you are not experiencing the same prejudice, ignorance and isolation that others do in Portland. Portland is welcoming to you because of deeply ingrained prejudices that value men over women, young over old, white over color, straight, Christian or nondenominational, over everything else – the list goes on. You’re bringing in tax dollars and raising the property value of your neighborhood because you overpaid coming from out of state. Youre neighbors don’t mind. They hope to sell for more to an out of state person too.

      You’re not experiencing the problems other are describing because you’re not facing the prejudice they are. Don’t minimize what you haven’t experienced. Yes all cities have problems but Portlanders do a horrible disservice to many many disadvantaged people that do not have the resources you do. Out of spite, resentment and a bizarre cruelty towards the unfortunate. Be happy you have these privileges and the opportunity to be successful where you want to live and use that to help others that don’t find their footing in Portland.

      Tldr – just because you don’t experience bad things doesn’t mean bad things dont happen to someone else.

    • Most lucid post on this site. Born and lived until my 30’s in Portland. It was and still is a beautiful place despite all the whinny transplants.

    • If the black people here really won’t talk to me, a transplant from Oakland CA, because they’re afraid and jaded—-then yeah, the ducking city is too white. Sorry.

      Also Oregon, and Portland in particular has one of the most racist pasts of any state outside the deep South.

      Sorry again. Am I doing this polite thing right? Hella annoying when it means nothing.

    • They haven’t left yet and found their shangri-la. They don’t seem interested in trying to create it here. For every action their is an equal reaction. Negative energy is more dense than positive. It also hangs over the person who creates the negative energy. I’m just saying, the love you give is equal to the love you receive and vice versa.

    • I know this is late, but just because you came from the worst state in the U.S. doesn’t mean Portland isn’t just a tiny version of your home. Every Californian I’ve met has been rude, self-interested and abrasive as f**k, and your comment totally proves that point. This place blows, but I’m glad it’s apparently better than California -eyeroll-

    • Yep, in one of the last North American rainforest corridors, the weather in western Oregon is a challenge, and dissociative Oregonians, who are also historically transplants, can be aloof. For years! And, it is also what you say, kind, community, and cleaner than other places. Thank-you for posting your pov.

  47. Portland is full of sinners in need of a Savior. A Savior has been provided, His name is Jesus, He paid your debt and mine, if you find yourself lonely, confused and searching, pray that God reveals himself to you, ask if He is real He will give you a new spirit, and you will know when you die that you go to Heaven, a real place where all these things this site talks about are made right. God bless you all.

  48. Has anyone else noticed that the people here love to STARE? It’s not even a curious stare, it’s just kind of a blank “I have no social skills so I will stare at you because I want to no matter how uncomfortable it makes you.”

    Today I am moving and loading up the truck (thank God!) and noticed there was a group of guys, for no apparent reason, watching me do all of this intently, from across the street. Occasionally they would look away if I stared back and then immediately look back. I said under my breath “Portlanders are so weird” and THAT was the moment I realized some lady was smoking a cigarette (obviously) in the courtyard of my apartment building a few meters away, again, openly staring. Because loading a truck is such crazy, stare worthy behavior.

    This isn’t the first time I’ve experienced the weird staring here- it seems to be typical Oregonian behavior. In most major cities (or anywhere really) you learn not to stare OPENLY- if you’re interested in something, you’ll kind of surreptitiously glance-but if the person notices you’d avert your eyes immediately, feeling kind of awkward for being caught looking at them.

    Not here! Once again, Oregonians amaze me in the level of total social skill poverty they have. I would love to transport some of these starers to, say- the South Bronx, and I think they could learn pretty quickly that staring at people for maybe 10 minutes at a time for no reason is 100% not acceptable behavior.

    I do think it’s another technique in their catalogue of “being hostile to people” techniques because surely any functioning adult realizes that staring is impolite.

    • They stare constantly. It feels very aggressive. I think the word that best describes the locals preference for manners is coarse. I have no doubt locals are offended by east coasters speaking directly and assertively or Californians preference for style and appearance to appear shallow. But I can’t remember ever feeling threatened by either of these cultures or mannerisms. Portlanders I found extremely threatening and coarse. Congratulations on packing up and heading out

    • It doesn’t feel aggressive to me. Imo it’s because there is little stimulation in Portland that they get distracted by noises, honks, and slightly unusual activity. Their minds are relatively dim this is the reason.

      • LOL, but at the same time, put “black lives matter” posters in the yard
        and “in our America” signs all over the place.
        Portlanders PRETEND an image of acceptance.
        In practice, they’re racist and hate anything different than them.
        Sure, they say immigrants and refugees are welcome – but Californias and transplants must stay out. Haha go figure.
        The hypocrisy…it never ends.
        Lip service liberals.

    • There are so many people in Portland who WANT people to stare at them, that maybe portlanders forget that some of us don’t appreciate stares. Everywhere I look, I see people who are trying really hard to be weird and different, but I refuse to stare.

    • I confess that I stared at someone the other day. She was parked outside my house tweaking on meth and blaring music so loud that I looked outside to see if a parade was coming by. All I could do was stare. I don’t know what came over me. I sort of fell into a trance wondering how my life has come to this.

  49. Can I be friends with all of you in real life please. This website makes me feel so much better about life. New to Portland and not impressed. I am already so tired of everyone being offended by everything and never speaking their mind except for hushed snarky comments.

  50. one more comment and I’m done. Living here for a long time seems to change people. After a while, you don’t really care about closeness or being around others. Eventually you get to that state of mind where you don’t even want to bother with relationships and organically want to dismiss other people.

    Case in point. It’s like when somebody from around here *keeps busy* with pickling vegetables or brewing their own NW style IPAs or making punk feminist art that is inspired by Basquiat and Georgia O’Keefe or whatever. On one level these things are all well and good but on another level, a voice inside wants to say “Yeah…who the hell cares.” Because these experiences and hobbies are not shared. They don’t reach a wider community, they are just self-contained, self-absorbed efforts that at most are just shared on FB to impress others. This is the kind of attitude that is par for the course with people living in the Northwest. They are all kinda smug about their little pet projects that no normal person gives a crap about, and then when you attempt to connect and share, their response is sometimes just an insinuating smile and an “Oh, well good for YOUUU”.

    They don’t care. They doubt you and your intellectual level, even though they are usually dilettantes and too lazy to have ever taken full advantage of their abilities. If you are an outsider, they play up your faults and downplay their own. They are very good at projection. They are weird and deeply limited, bordering on sub-par intelligence and ability, but they are always eager to snipe off a snarky little comment. They are basic, superficial people who put themselves on a pedestal, carefully crafting an image over time and projecting their insecurities onto others.

    • I couldn’t agree more. I am in the medical profession and I have never encountered so many people who are myopic and ignorant. Interestingly enough, they make fun of me because I am from South. I have lived and traveled to several large cities and cannot recall the “chip on the shoulder” of white people that I have experienced here. For the most part, people in Portland are from small towns in Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Alaska, California, etc. They have never lived in a big city and don’t know how to act or function. They think their provincial mindset affords them the opportunity to be smug and entitled.

      • They think that because their residence has changed to the marginally mid sized city of Portland that they are now sophisticated, cosmopolitan urbanites, and the backwards mindset they bring to the place is now progressive because their address is Portland.

        Seriously though, I am from a major east coast city, and have lived in many parts of the south, and it so annoys me when I bring up the south and people here are judgmental. First of all, I have NEVER seen or noticed the level of racism I have seen here ANYWHERE in the south. Nothing even close, whatsoever. It doesn’t go over well when I inform them of this. Delusional Portlanders hate being presented with the truth and reminded of how provincial they truly are… after all they’ve finally made it to the “big city” 🙂

    • I couldn’t even fathom a place filled with such consistently awful people that any city, let alone Portland, would be a total waste. There’s always something to learn or experience from living in a place even if it’s not your ideal. I was proven wrong.
      Visit, see pretty nature. Leave.

  51. It’s hard to put a finger on it, I’ve summed it up for 40 minutes in two YouTube videos, in two parts. Here’s part I if anyone’s curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywXMClHdusE&lc=z230trgxxsm1y3c4j04t1aokgteftlyiczff5rey4ju4rk0h00410

    I’ve read through the comments and I agree with much of it and disagree with other parts. So here, I summarize my thoughts on what could be causing the “disease” in Portland.

    1. Low Energy and Passiveness
    “It is the only place I have lived where showing initiative in the workplace is perceived as a threat and treated accordingly” another comment above read.

    I describe this as the low vitality and passiveness in the city. Being too funny, too intelligent, too hard-working, and showing too much drive, or any drive, is foreign to the energy of the city.

    It’s not just the people, it’s the entire energy of Portland, Gresham, Beaverton, Tigard, and everywhere. People ultimately have low vitality, and lackluster energy, and this may be genetic and also caused by the weather, among other hormone deficiencies which I will get to shortly.

    I experienced this as well in medical school. I was suspended from NUNM (the naturopathic school) for voicing my opinions in the clinic. My teacher was a lesbian who likely had a bias against men, and wore untucked flannel clothing to the clinic.

    After I was told that voicing my opinions in class was not good (because it offended some sensitive women), she then proceeded to quietly fail me in the class, making up complete lies, and I have thought about filing over this, but it’s just such a huge time suck I haven’t.

    During this time, she barely spoke to me. This was the height of her PASSIVE AGGRESSION.

    I on the other hand am an east-coaster. I learned to be charismatic, confident, and driven. Even quieter people on the east coast have more drive and forwardness than people in Portland. Being this way in the classroom just led to conflict, as some of the things I said, in a MEDICAL SCHOOL of all places where facts should reign supreme, just became held against me.

    Another instance: a neighbor of mine in an apt complex where NOBODY said hello to me EVER, except for one guy who was from Philadelphia (forwardness, and more friendliness) got locked out once. He was sheepishly standing outside his apartment, looking confused. I simply asked him what was going on, and from there, there was a strange dynamic between us.

    I turned into the leader somehow, without trying, because he decided to remain absolutely passive about the whole situation. He was very drawn into himself and did not know how to communicate. He also wore all black, was a total hipster, and like the rest of ’em, a total idiot when it came to dealing with any situation.

    Lastly, the passiveness is seen quite well in the driving. On the freeway, people literally slow down to change lanes, causing traffic, and slowing everyone else down. On two occasions, in friends cars because I did not have a car there, someone beeped at us when we drove by them after they indicated via a turning signal they wanted to merge. It’s as if they wanted PERMISSION to merge, which is f**king idiotic. In New York you’d get trampled on.

    This creates a culture where everyone expects everyone else to be extremely PERMISSION-SEEKING, due to the passiveness and lack of drive.

    It’s why people stand around like IDIOTS on crosswalks when NOBODY is coming from either direction. They HAVE to wait for the walk sign. It’s SO STUPID.

    2. Lack of testosterone and estrogen both.

    Men have low testosterone, as evidenced by weaker builds, less chiseled faces, recessed chins, and less aggressive look overall. Women have less estrogen, as evidenced by higher WHRs (waist-to-hip ratios), thinner lips, and less feminine behavioral characteristics.

    Anyone that thinks these hormones do not have an effect on physical bone structure and behavior is simply unaware of how the body works. Hormones affect EVERY SINGLE CELL in our bodies, from our hair follicles, to bone cells, and to everything.

    As a man with high testosterone (upper end of normal range), I could not relate to almost any other male in the entire city. Other men just seemed quiet, sheepish, and uninteresting for the most part. There was no fire in anyone.

    Indeed, once as I was walking, some black people in a car (obviously they had to be black because they had some character and white vanilla people have none in Portland) said “damn you got that fire!” I took it as a compliment, but indeed my facial expression generally indicates I have stuff going on in my mind and in my life.

    What this essentially means is that men are more feminine and women are more masculine, which is perfect for them, but horrible for an east coaster. Other people have emailed me about this since I released my videos and confirmed what I have said.

    One person, the woman who created the shirts on redbubble that someone else posted (links in my YouTube video too) said she was DISCRIMINATED against for being super feminine. She’s hot. She holds power in society. That’s why they hate her. She is moving asap.

    The same went for me. I’m not only masculine looking, but also ethnic, so people would look at me ALL THE TIME. I got used to it, but I could only think of them as being backwater and having a small-town mentality. They’re complete losers. Being masculine, being c**ky, being too charismatic with women just wasn’t received well at all. Most women I dated who were from Portland were so quiet it was like talking to a wall. I got used to it and became quiet myself.

    Because of this hormone deficiency, there is greater depression and stress. As women with more estrogen are happier, smarter, and less stressed, and the same goes for men with higher testosterone.

    The reason why you see so much complaining and so much feminism is partly due to a hormonal imbalance imo. This causes premature wrinkles in women too, and explains partly why it’s nearly impossible to find an attractive woman 7+ in Portland. The women I found success with were almost always from outside Oregon.

    3. Hatred of the sun

    People here literally hate the sun, that’s why they dress in darks only. Once, a cashier (lesbian, dressed like a man) at a burger shop said “arghhh the sun” in response to the sun hitting her in the eyes on the first day it came out in a long time. She was not happy about it.

    That in addition to other people telling me they like the rain and don’t like the sun leads me to suspect that perhaps people who naturally prefer darkness settle in Portland.

    4. The Racism
    Many people have talked about the racism here. I didn’t experience it directly, but one time indeed, I grew out my beard for an entire year. Around the 9 month mark or so, someone driving by told me “I think it’s time to shave.” At the Apple store one man thought I was a terrorist and became concerned because I walked away from my backpack about 10 feet. The backpack was a filson backpack which I purchased in the pearl district.

    That was the only blatant racism I’ve experienced in my life.

    But I’ve heard three people say “n****r” to describe black people. Two white, one Persian-American. I’ve never heard that before anywhere else. That literally shocked me. One of the girls said her bag was stolen. I said “go back in there and find it.” She said “it’s alright, it was probably some n****r.” My mouth opened in shock and I gasped. I couldn’t believe someone would actually say that.

    Anytime I walked hand-in-hand with a white girl, or any attractive woman, I would get all kinds of looks, especially from the old white people, of which there are so many of in Portland.

    6. Old people

    This city has a lot of old people, and middle aged people with children. For single people between 22-28 it’s terrible.

    A city shouldn’t have to feel like a suburb.

    7. Homelessness.
    They invite homeless people to live in Portland. People in their 50s walk around in converse thinking they’re cool when they’re complete losers.

    It’s perfecly normal to be a societal reject and display it proudly. This has a negative influence on everyone else.

    Surveys have shown that >30% of residents in Portland have considered leaving because of homelessness.

    Chinatown has now become the film set of “The Walking Dead.”

    There are more and more blocks downtown that smell like urine and which have tents on them. It’s completely degenerate. Homelessness is inescapable in Portland, and they’re all okay with it.

    Homeless people and druggies hang out at Starbucks and at Powells bookstore. I couldn’t hang out in the cafe at Powells anymore because of how bad it smelled.

    8. Asociality
    Notice how there’s no real nightlife in Portland? All the main clubs, like dig a pony, white owl, rontoms… they’re overpopulated with TABLES, so people can sit down with people they know. They don’t like to mingle with strangers that’s not cool in Portland.

    It’s all about being safe, secure, and protecte din Portland, because they have this hero mentality, and want to save all the f**king losers of the world. If you’re strong, or beautiful, you’re not allowed.

    Or, if you have grand aspirations, it’s best you keep them to yourself, and just talk about going to salt n’straw or buying weed, or about some stupid TV show with the locals.

    I absolutely hated it in Portland and now that I’ve left, I feel way better. There is no comparison. There are of course libtards where I live here too but it is NORMAL and it’s a breath of fresh air.

      • Yep, you recognized him too,

        It’s yogi oeleb. I apologize if I misspelled your name wrong yogi. I have issues spelling fake names,

    • Thank you so much for this. Corroborates all that I’ve suffered through in Portland. I’ve been summoning the dwindling energy I have to leave (I’m from NYC and I began to lose my edge out here), and your insight was what I needed to hear.

  52. How about when white liberal people report to authorities? This happens all the time. I have been attacked verbally, threatened to lose my employment position, and my academic position in a program. Always toyed by white savior liberals. Always emotionally fighting. Entitled white bearded bicyclists have verbally attacked me. Micro-aggression comments everyday like no big deal because nobody is correcting these white saviors. People aren’t fighting for others rights. They be watching, and that is all Portland will ever do. They will document on their phones acting like they did something for social justice. I am so done with this passive aggressive city. I am tired of white girls telling me they have a Costa Rican friend so therefore they aren’t racist. I am so tired of the boring people at music shows where everyone stands and sits still so very quietly. There is no soul, no movement and everyone is mostly white with no idea how the rest of the world works. Not everyone is invited to the community dinner unless you dress the part, share the same values, and smile, because everyone is okay. Ugh. The only fun part of this city are the strippers who rock my world. Suck my tits, Portland.

  53. So I am waiting for my friend to ride home on the max with me.we are at the green line Main St. stop. His friend pulled up. My friend approached the car on the passenger side and to say whats up. During this time he spilled some of his ice cream, he goes back to clean it up.a “officer of the law” I dare say profiling facist by the name of Woo, demands to see my amd his ID stating that it is illegal to place your finger, arm, face pr any othe rpart of your body on a car.i said the car is occupied by the owner:he tells me to leave.first first of last time I checked as a US or Soverigen citizen of god.i have the undeniable right to move freely about, unimpeded,by Naziesqe men armed with tazers guns and restraining devices. My friend finaly gives in amd provides thos profiling bully with his ID amd is still subsequently arrested. No arrest warrant, no illegal possessions just kidnapped for standing up for his rights. Surley thos will not ever see a court room.i i find this abuse of power to be both appauling and terrifying. If you agree please call the Sargent in charge of the east side precinct and let him know that what happened to Michel Ogle was unconstitutional and morraly deplorable.he can be reached at 503-823-4800

  54. Anybody else been here so long they get weirded out when someone says or does something nice? I’m so used to just constant snark, nastiness, schadenfreude, and indifference.

    I was sitting at the bus stop one cold night when some girls drove up in a yuppie-ish looking car and yelling over at some homeless guy (five minutes prior he was having some exchange of words with his girlfriend, so I don’t know if he was great guy, exactly…). This girl leans out her window and yells, “Hey, can I have your food?!” The old dude yelled back, “I don’t have any food!” Then she responds, as they’re driving off, “That’s okay. I know you don’t.”

    Cold a$$ f**kin city. I could go on. And I do.

    • Yesterday, someone made the mistake of asking me how I like Portland. I’m sure they thought I’d gush about how it’s a progressive wonderland. Instead, I told them that it’s been a disappointment and that I find the people unfriendly.

      It felt good.

      • Bottom line…people in Oregon are weaklings. I can’t drive the speed limit because I’m scared, I won’t change jobs because iI have to take a risk, I am non-confrontational because this may cause me to make a decision, I can’t move after a four-way stop, even though it is my turn, because someone may go ahead of me, I can’t parallel park because I have am too lazy. I could go on and on, but this is the way of Portlanders.

      • Would telling someone, who is friendly enough to ask you how you like Portland, be considered unfriendly? This is a real question.

    • Absolutely sickeningly disgusting how the people act here. Mocking a homeless people for not having food. Before I lived in Portland I would have thought “Every city has their bad apples” now that I’ve lived here I know that’s pretty typical of Portlanders. I swear there’s a dose of sociopathy included in the fluoride free water.

      And yeah, the other day someone complimented my shoes and I literally was about to fight them. I was so angry, actually (this was at the store) I waited for the person to come back around and was like “What did you say about my shoes?” Turns out they were complimenting them and I was so used to hearing meanness from Portlanders I’d twisted it into an insult. Of course I apologized profusely and we ended up having a nice chat (of course, they werent a native Portlander)

      God help me get out of this horrific city before it gets even worse. The longer you stay in this place the more it steals your soul.

      • NW neighborhood is pretty much an outdoor mall for rich white teenagers to humiliate homeless and those with addiction issues.

        • I am pretty sure the mall and/or rich teenagers (regardless or race…you might want to take a look at that racist comment) are not responsible for people’s bad choices or lack of initiative to make a decision to live differently. If this sounds cold or heartless, you most likely lack experience with these issues of personal responsibility. I am a recovering addict who has been homeless. Having direct experience here, I also have compassion for people experiencing addiction and or homelessness. At the same time, it is that person’s responsibility to want to help themselves (and there is more than enough resources here is Portland if sought ). It is not however, society’s obligation to feel sorry for them or accept blame if they feel a certain way.

          • I appreciate your thoughtful comments. You do not have to pity a person or feel guilt for their situation to understand the outcome of public humiliation on already nonexistent self esteem. You should however, be expected to learn what respecting human beings actually means to become an adult. Portland parents think their kids poop rainbows when they are really mediocre suburbanites that aren’t above anyone.

          • Another heartless Portland comment. “It is not however, society’s obligation to feel sorry for them or accept blame if they feel a certain way.” Accept blame if they feel a certain way… like, IDK, humiliated after being, well… publicly humiliated? Actually, yes, it is “society’s” role to feel bad if they deliberately mock someone and that person is upset. It’s called having compassion, empathy, and human decency- not to mention basic social skills.

            It’s so bizarre that your reaction to a pretty sad story about a homeless guy being mocked is a bizarre rant about the personal responsibility of homelessness. Typical Portland bats**t crazy response

  55. So, I’ve been watching “Here and Now” on HBO, which takes place in Portland. On the surface, it is a stupid show about unlikable people. Below the surface, it’s a clever statement about how much Portland sucks.

    The family at the center of the story consists of a smug liberal couple who have adopted children (now adults) from Asia, Africa and Latin America. As the story progresses, you see that under the smug veneer, these are people who see themselves as white saviors and who see the kids as exotic accessories. In other words, their politically correct image is a sham.

    To me, that’s the sort of thing that makes Portland suck. People are very concerned about image, and the image they want to project is that of a kooky, interesting, woke person who is on the right side of every issue. Under the surface, they’re just as dull and selfish and racist as anyone else.

    Maybe that’s what irks me about Portland. The people are imposters and they don’t even know it.

    • That seems to fit Portland perfectly. The fake smile, concealing downright contempt. The person who claims to be a bleeding heart but is actually full of hatred for their fellow human being.

      The only unrealistic part is that the racism here is so blatant I think few Portlanders would actually even disingenuously adopt a racial minority kid. Just yesterday I watched a checkout lady scream at a black guy for leaving his items at self checkout while going to grab something for 5 seconds (the store was mostly empty). And then be perfectly nice to everyone else. It’s truly amazing the delusions Portlanders carry considering it’s the most blatantly racist place I’ve been to in my entire life- and I’ve lived all over the U.S. and Europe.

      • The checker yelling at the black guy at the grocery store probably does have an exotic adopted kid at home and she thinks that’s all she needs to be woke. And she probably expects everyone to bow down to her as the best white savior in PDX.

      • Omg.. Who would spend $40 on a tshirt?! You’d have to be mad. Lol Besides I don’t need a tshirt to let people know Portland sucks. Lol Cute graphics, but seriously overpriced.

        • SO I know the person who made these shirts. She says she barely makes anything from them, I’ll ask her to find another t-shirt POD service.

  56. I sincerely apologize. Seriously.
    My parents left New York in 1963 and headed west, north of Seattle, to live near my mothers siblings and their spouses. My Dad didn’t fit. They were all home builders, my Dad was a suit salesman from the big city. He was treated as such. Time to move south of Seattle for Mom and Dad. Tacoma? Nope, still to close for comfort. They picked Portland in 1966. I was born here in 1967.
    Most of my youth in North Portland in the 1970s was spent fighting or running from turf kids. A metal roller skate across the head at Portsmouth school playground, a bike forcibly taken from me at Kienows, a black eye at Columbia Boys Club for juggling a soccer ball…this was the peninsula.
    I got out and glimpsed the promised land for part of middle school—-Northwest Portland! My friends at school over there had hippies for parents, ate lunch communally, and had slightly Jewish names like mine! I was home!!! Except my family had no money. This was painfully obvious to me and my peers. I could play soccer though, and that went a long way.
    Decided on high school back in North Portland and enjoyed seeing some kids I hadn’t seen in years. Graduated and went to work. Low paying, hard, dirty jobs.
    I apologize because I have had ill feelings for newcomers. I have shunned well intentioned people. Kept to myself, and never invade space.
    The latter may have brought more people here. People from elsewhere took it as, “Nobody bothers you/ Portlanders are laid back…”.
    My true regret as a Portlander of 50 years is never going on to higher education. It has separated me from so many smart individuals I have put off for fear of sounding idiotic.
    The friends I had in the old neighborhood were a mix of Asian, African American, and Latino. They are all gone. Priced out, fed up, moved on. Thinking back I realize how transient life is and how no one is to blame for what Portland is now, for better or worse.
    I am just sorry I didn’t have the resources to get educated and become a philanthropist that helped make better changes. I am from here.

    • Most of the infuriating people I’ve met here do have a higher education. I think they get some college and then they develop delusions of grandeur.

    • Thank you. This is the first time I’ve ever heard an Oregonian express contrition. First time ever. And yes this is a problem that is nation-wide. Portland-at this point an exaggerated version of the nation-shows that behind over-confidence and hubris is failure. I sincerely thank you for what you’ve said. Portland is not going to get better, it’s going to get worse. And I hope you can find a rock big enough to crawl under to make Portland bearable. I tried and failed to do that for eight years and then gave up and left. My life has not been easy since leaving, however I’m so much happier and healthier now it’s like I have a whole new life.

    • You’re writing is eloquent and gave me a sense of peace. Thank you for helping me let go of the extreme guilt I felt for moving to Portland. I did not understand it’s problems, don’t wish to add to them and hope both sides learn from each other to solve them. I’m glad to have left Portland but wish you well. It’s never too late to have a happy childhood. – Tom Robbins

    • This is an old thread and the poster will probably never see this comment, but I am moved by the language and insight of this post. Landed in ’67 notices, suffers, regrets all the right things, all the human things, and in fact missed very little of what greater emptiness “higher education” offers.

  57. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5580036/

    I saw this movie a few weeks ago and it was so perfect! I highly recommend it. It’s definitely a window into what Portland/Oregon is all about. Half way through the movie I whispered in my partner’s ear “You haven’t seen a sidewalk yet have you?!” (Portland has 300 miles of streets with no sidewalks!) I’ve always called the State of Oregon: “the Tonya Harding State” aka: ENTITLED TRASH. When I lived there, I would hear native Oregonians blame all their problems on Californians and others moving there. And my reaction was always: Are you kidding me? This is the Tonya Harding State! Anyways, I just thought I’d share that.

    London, have you gotten the heck out of there yet??? Please let us know when you do. We’re all wishing you the best.

    -b

    • It’s weird how few sidewalks are in Portland. Totally NOT AS ADVERTISED. I expected a quaint Mayberry-like place where everyone would be out walking and greeting neighbors. Instead, it’s miles of trash strewn soggy embankments with tweaker hobos rattling by with their grocery carts.

    • Boregonian, I’m so glad to see you. My breath of fresh air, intelligence and reasoning. I’m still trapped!!!!! Today, I had a redneck ON THE STREET speak to me in Spanish, and I seriously wanted to punch him in the face (I’m not Latino, but my husband, who is AMERICAN born is of Mexican decent). I know he wasn’t trying to be nice, he was a racist asshole. I have to get out of here.

  58. Born & raised in Oregon (not PDX), currently trapped in TX. Lived in PDX a few times over a period of years. It wasn’t too bad in the late 80s early 90s – a person could actually have fairly congenial social interactions with strangers. Something happened over time though. Like a very real and very strange “energy shift” – sorry it sounds woo but that is the best I can do to describe it. In fact, my husband & I used to drive a lot between Medford OR & Vancouver, BC and we would always notice a palpable change just north of Eugene (for the worse). It would finally change again for the better north of Bellvue WA. Very, very strange. Some fun facts: PDX area at one time had the highest per capita prescription rates in the U.S. for anti-depressants. Also if you are morbid, do a superficial search on serial killers and the NW. There is definitely something out of whack in that area. As much as I love most of Oregon (the nature), I would never live in the region west of the Cascades between Eugene & Bellvue…

    • *Please note – English is not my native language, so please focus on the message and not the accuracy of the grammar.*

      I used to be a happy person before I moved to Portland. I was passionate when I communicated with others, passionate about life, had energy, livelihood, and a LOT of sense of humor.
      In a relatively short time, Portland managed to suck my joy away.

      And no, I’m not talking about the rainy gloomy weather. I knew about the grey clouds prior to moving here. I’m referring to the hypocrite liberals who just “love and accept everyone, no matter where they’re from*. Sure, you accept people as long as they think look and behave like THEM.

      But guess what weird, boring, all-the-same Portland people? Accepting other people also means accepting their different CULTURE. In other words – immigrants or blacks are NOT WHITE HIPPIES/HIPSTERS.

      Portland basically attracts more of the same. Same opinions, same tattooed hipsters, under-achievers, dirty creatures. There is absolutely zero diversity in terms of opinions and race.

      Their hypocrisy is beyond imagination. Republicans were much more accepting of my culture, sense of humor, energy, and character than the Portland zombies who are married to their liberal ideas by words only.

      They absolutely don’t walk the talk, and if you tell them about it, they will dismiss it right away and saying you’re rude. But I am not the rude one you clones, you are – for saying words you don’t mean, for being fake nice, for not accepting anything else that is not white, for making plans KNOWING IN ADVANCE you have no intention to follow and then cancel the last minute. You are the rude ones being so passive-aggressive, dishonest liars.

      Don’t even get me started on forming close friendships. In any normal other places in the U.S (hell, even Alabama), people seek closeness, friendships, and true bonding. Here, the rain brain Portlandiands’ definition of a close friend, is a very distant acquaintance in any other normal place.

      Maybe it’s the lack of Vitamin D… Maybe this city attracts all of the anti-social people, who find it satisfying just being fake nice and NEVER EVER want to hang out with you or see you, even though they clearly say “Let’s have brunch this Thursday”.

      They are so disconnected from reality and the real world. They are living in their own bubble, la-la land, and if you say something realistic, or expressing your opinion you are being confrontational. Wow, what idiots! Why won’t you just talk to a wall?

      So if you have different opinions here and you are an actual free thinker (who questions concepts before obeying them like the rest of the herd), the extreme liberals who “accept everyone” are not interested to hear. They contradict their own values! What a lack of self-awareness and complete absence of self-observation.

      Also, if you dress nicely, and like to wear makeup, shave, or put a perfumeת forget about it. They will shun you because here, the homeless-look rocks! Even if you’re working in tech. If you’re not covered with tattoos, have a pink, purple, green hair, a ridiculous hipster cap – you will be a threat to everyone and they will make sure to show you how superior they are over you.
      Their main policy is self-neglect.

      Never seen ANYTHING like it my entire life. I lived in four different states, traveled around the world and actually got to see other cultures. If you’re reading this before moving, do yourself a favor and stay away from this s**thole. Don’t waste your precious time in this place. No-one here will be interested in getting to know you anyway.

      • Hey, LOVO, what’s all the blame liberals business? Portland’s problem is the incredible ignorance and superiority (based on nothing) of the (1) people who live there and think it’s Nirvana and (2) the people who move there seeking a lazy lifestyle. It has nothing to do with your politics, believe me, it’s all about intelligence and character.

        I’m from the East Coast. Raised Conservative and became about as Liberal as one
        gets BY CHOICE once I got enough education under my belt. I moved to Portland on the advice of a dear friend after spending a too-short weekend checking it out. I lasted exactly two years—the first, trying to find things to like/admire; the second, planning my escape.

        What’s wrong with Portland are the people who think ignorance, laziness, and lack of consideration for others are what life’s about. Nothing to do with your politics, just your character.

        • Anne, I was raised liberal, still liberal and will always be one. I just can’t stand the hypocrisy of “accepting everyone” claims, but acting completely different than what they allegedly stand for. Their world views are nothing but following trends, but in fact, they are convert racists. And completely oblivious to their racism.

          • LOVO, enjoyed your reply. What’s odd is that we don’t disagree at all. I can’t stand the hypocrisy of Portland either, but why do you think it’s political? You said:

            “Republicans were much more accepting of my culture, sense of humor, energy, and character than the Portland zombies who are married to their liberal ideas by words only.”

            That makes me curious about how many GENUINE liberals you know? Certainly, there are hypocrites everywhere, but that isn’t confined to a political party. (Just look at our current President—zero correlation between what he says and what he does. He claims to care about those who are not wealthy like he is, yet all of his policies will advantage the wealthy and disadvantage everyone else. That’s hypocrisy, and he’s a conservative.)

            Portland is indeed full of unthinking zombies who spew one thing and do another…or, more likely, do nothing at all. But that isn’t necessarily, or even basically, political. That’s character.

            Frankly, people who stay in Portland leave me speechless, For example, they claim to be environmentally progressive, yet that ended with their beloved bottle bill, and they haven’t moved forward since. Everywhere I have lived has better recycling than Portland does now. Everywhere. Currently, I’m in San Diego. The recycling here is far superior to that in Portland, but it can’t touch the efficiency and creativity with which it’s done in Boston. And Boston is, for the most part, very liberal—polite liberal, educated liberal, welcoming liberal. Sense of humor, energy, and character are prized in Boston, and my guess is your culture, whatever it is, would be enjoyed and respected too.

            Another example: While I was in Portland I tried smiling at people on the street, just as an experiment, because I never saw anyone act friendly or even minimally pleasant towards a stranger. I have no idea whether the people I smiled at were conservative or liberal, but in two years, only ONE woman smiled back. Again, the problem in Portland isn’t political.

            And a final example: San Diego has quite a mix of conservatives and liberals. When I moved here, I joined a weekly walking group. On my first day, I was laughing with another woman, originally from Missouri and also new to the group, about some bit of political idiocy. One of the other group members stood listening in the background, and I barely finished my sentence when she started screaming at me that I was ignorant and had no business saying whatever it was I had. New experience for me to be insulted by someone I didn’t know who was listening in on my conversation. Actually, new experience for me to be screamed at in public. Turned out, she was a Republican. Basic good manners aren’t a political issue.

            So, might I ask, where else have you lived in this country besides Portland? If Portland is your only experience with “liberals,” my guess is you might like to move elsewhere—some place not populated by the dropouts of life from both political parties.

            You also commented:

            “So if you have different opinions here and you are an actual free thinker (who questions concepts before obeying them like the rest of the herd), the extreme liberals who “accept everyone” are not interested to hear. They contradict their own values! What a lack of self-awareness and complete absence of self-observation.”

            Realistically, no one accepts everyone, not conservatives, not liberals. Do YOU accept everyone? Doesn’t sound like you accept the people in Portland. I don’t accept everyone either, so I left Portland and moved to a place where people are a lot more interesting, interested, and open to other views and cultures. I don’t care for people who are hypocrites, people who are lazy, people who lack manners, and people who completely self-unaware. Please note that those aren’t political traits. Those are traits of upbringing, character, and education.

            You sound miserable where you are. Please, do whatever you can to leave. There are many, many places better than Portland, I promise.

            Finally, as for this—”Please note – English is not my native language, so please focus on the message and not the accuracy of the grammar.”—you don’t need to apologize to anyone for your command of English. I was an editor in my East Coast life. Believe me, your English is far better than that of many of our native citizens.

            Best of luck to you!

      • LOVO, I see the same behaviors that you see. I think there are a lot of Portlanders who have branded themselves as liberals, but who don’t really behave in a liberal manner. They have their “In our America…” and “Black lives matter” yard signs, but that’s as far as it goes. All talk, no action.

        I guess I’m unhappy here because people make assumptions about others and cut them off without bothering to find out if the assumptions are correct. In my case, I’m liberal, yet I have friends who are not, and when I get to know them better, I discover that they have a lot of good qualities, and sometimes their opinions make me think, and that strengthens my own liberal position. There’s a real value in diversity of thought. It’s good to hang out with people who aren’t exactly like us. I think a lot of Portlanders have a cookie-cutter image of who they should befriend and what they should believe, but they don’t know why that is because they don’t think for themselves.

        I understand why you are frustrated with this city.

        • Agree. It is disheartening to hear liberals talk about tolerance and acceptance then within minutes trash newcomers for “ruining” Portland. Makes no sense. I didn’t like the conservatives any better so Anne you are right, but I think it hurts more when people you believed would hold the same values as you (at least politically) lack acceptance and tolerance as well. The adults of Portland really do remind me of the maturity level that I experienced in High School, I don’t get it. If you experience this as your perception of Portland it does not change and it’s best to stop investing anymore in the place and leave. The only regret I have 3 months out is not leaving sooner. Literally if I had picked up my bags, broken my lease, rented a uhaul and turned around 90 days into it when I really felt like something was off, I would have spent less money and wasted less of my life. I thought I should give it a shot because I spent the money to move there and the locals know this. They will take advantage of you and it won’t get better. It’s one nasty con basically with beautiful scenery.

      • It is true that people in Portland only accept those who think like them. Yes, there are people who are ignorant and have a chip on their shoulder, but overall, Portlanders are myopic and provincial. The mantra among liberals is, “Live and let live.” I understand this truly means, “live as we do or leave.” It disgusts me every time an Oregonian expresses distain for Californians. Replace “Californians” with “Blacks” or “Mexicans” and it means the same – “we don’t like outsiders.” Oregonians, you are in a world of hurt if you think this will continue to work for you. Eventually, you will have a more diverse population. Hopefully, you will retreat and let the rest of us enjoy the various cultures and people that make life so interesting.

        • Exactly. When it comes to Californians, I hear a lot of white nationalist rhetoric where the word “California/n” is used instead of “Mexico/an”.

      • I have had similar experiences, especially in tech. I’m planning to leave in a few months. This place is incredibly draining as I have always flourished in my travels as well as the places I lived. I completely agree.

      • Completely agree with you LOVO- I moved here almost a year ago. I have 2 months left till my lease is up and counting the days. I cry thinking of when I’ll finally be able to leave.

        You said it so perfectly “I used to be a happy person before I moved to Portland. I was passionate when I communicated with others, passionate about life, had energy, livelihood, and a LOT of sense of humor.
        In a relatively short time, Portland managed to suck my joy away.”

        You hit the nail on the head. I’m amazing at how bummed out I feel, I don’t know how people do it day in and day out, year after year. I think you either have to adapt and become one of these depressed, anti social monsters yourself, or you’ll run screaming. So I have isolated myself because I don’t want to interact with these people. I am usually the friendliest, MOST outgoing person, never had any issue making friends whatsoever. Lately I just hole up in my apartment. Social interactions are simply not worth the meanness and cruelty that Portlanders routinely away, apropos of nothing. Being with a kind group of friends will not insulate you from the horribleness of Portlanders around you. So I just stay at home, and cannot wait till FREEDOM happens in two months.

        But if it’s any consolation, I feel strongly that when I am back among normal people I will get my joy back, and you will too. You just have to cling to you sense of goodness and normalcy, against all odds. Recently there were these tourists from the east coast walking near me in downtown, while I struggled with grocery bags. Instead of being rude as most Portlanders would be, they were so nice and kind. I was amazed at how easily I fell back into that niceness- I was afraid after so many months in Portland I had lost it. Rest assured, once you leave this hell hole, you will be back to your joyful self too. Just remember that, and keep fighting.

        I agree with you- i find the liberalism of Portland contrasted with how cruel and awful everyone is very interesting as well. It has honestly made me reassess some of my own political beliefs. I lived in the deep south in Mississippi for a couple of months for work- no matter what smug Portlanders think, those people were a MILLION times more welcoming and kind than Portlanders. Grew up in a major east coast city and have lived in a bunch of different states- Portland is simply vile. ANyway, wishing you well that you are able to get out soon too.

      • I moved here a year ago with my family. Fortunately, we will be moving out of here shortly (like in about 6 weeks), and I cannot wait. I can’t believe how negatively living and working here has affected me. I have gained weight and also lots of tears and negative emotions. I have lived in the PNW during my earlier years, but this time around, I am older and with a child…. it is the absolute pits to be stuck indoors months on end with a small child. I used to be an avid walker, sometimes runner, and I rarely go outside anymore. I guess the die-hards run, bike, skateboard etc in drizzle, but it is not pleasant whatsoever, and I hate it.

        Ok, but it’s the people…. oh my goodness, the people. I live in Beaverton but work in downtown Portland. I can’t stand the people here. They have a Stepford wives plastic quality to them, a “fake nice” feeling to them. That or the uber-“alternative”, sloppy, unbelievably passive aggressive types. Everyone is supposed to behave the same way and be interested in the same things. There is NOOOOO diversity here but lots of white people who like to spout off PC type SJW rants to people of color like me. You tell me how the geography is in my own country of birth?? Oh really?? Thanks.. thanks for educating me on my own homeland.

        Good grief, it is exhausting being here. The people, the lack of passion, lack of directness, the expectation that we all like beer/drinking and anything that’s not mainstream. You think you’re cool and progressive because you have blue or green hair? You think you’re down with the black/brown folks because you have a BLM poster in your front yard?? You think you’re so smart because you’re stuck inside reading all day every day with your overpriced coffee and weird folk rock or emo music playing in the background? I’m a bookworm and love to read, too, but the arrogance of the people here…. I once had a coworker who said that she doesn’t believe in Las Vegas. What does that even mean???? I am no fan of Las Vegas myself, but what does that mean??

        People act like because they shop at overpriced vintage shops, listen to 80s new wave, adopt frankly awful- looking haircuts and styles that they are somehow better than the “tech robots” out in the ‘burbs. Yes, I had a hippie acquaintance call all the people living out in Beaverton “tech robots”. Ok, so you declare your undying love for all races and religions and go on and on about how we should all accept our fellow man….. except for those “tech robots” who choose to live outside of uber-cool Portland and in boring Beaverton instead. Ok… I see… so it’s really more like: Be like us. Think like us. Dress like us. Believe like us. And then we acknowledge you and accept you.

        Man, I just can’t deal with this place/people anymore. And yes, I am from the “awful” place down south- California… and that is exactly where we are headed back to… and I cannot friggin’ wait.

        • LOL “don’t believe in Las Vegas”- yep that sounds like the inane, passive aggressive, nasty stuff that Portlanders like to say. Never mind that there are millions of people who live in Las Vegas, no doubt with varying levels of diversity and- gasp!- people who could probably outhipster Portlanders and have probably read more Johnathon Franzen novels than them! Not to mention… Las Vegas had a damn terrorist attack less than a year ago, and still they make remarks like that. It’s actually gross, one you see people saying comments like that and knowing where it is motivated from once you learn about Portlander’s true selves (not the image they try to project to the world).

          I am as white as it freaking gets, have never experienced discrimination in my life- nor, to be honest, even noticed it. I’ve lived in the deep south, Texas, etc- and honestly not once (I’m sure this was just me not seeing it) noticed racism. I see it ALL THE TIME in Portland. ALL THE TIME. For a girl like me, who seemingly needs to be hit over the head with a 2×4 of racism, to notice it, that says something. I see people of color get given nasty looks, talked down to, etc. Last week there was a lovely couple out and they stood next to me at the bar and the bartender, who was really nice to me, was incredibly rude to them. I asked them where they were from and they said Texas, and were thinking of moving here. I wanted to tell them “Run, get out of here as fast as you can!” It’s hard enough for a white person living here, with the passive aggressive trash, mean people, but I truly cant imagine being a POC here, because the racism is that bad. I have never seen such overt racism in my life, it’s like something out of a movie. It’s funny because they trash talk California, Vegas, the East Coast- all places that have a million times more of the values liberal Portlanders claim to value, including inclusivity and… you know… not being a racist piece of garbage.

          I am not from California either, but will be moving there in about the same time frame. Counting the days till I can finally escape from this HELL of Portland trash people who are so unbelievably cruel, cold, and calculating. Hey, maybe I’ll pass you on the 5 as we both head for greener, friendlier pastures! 🙂

      • Dude or dudette!, this is it exactly, hahaha! I worked in Tech and I know exactly what you’re talking about it’s so funny to see it in print. Portland wants to think it’s Cutting Edge but what I see is a bunch of wannabe asshole people the think they’re above and beyond everybody else, what a bunch of dicks I’m not trying to be an asshole telling it how I see it

    • It also has the highest rates for mental illness in the country, still. And i don’t blame anyone. I will admit for the people who are utter assholes I feel like that’s kind of karma taking care of itself, giving them depression. For those lovely kind people who had the misfortune to move here or be born here and are brought into depression or mental illness by being around the sickeningly depraved people here- I feel horribly sad for them.

  59. Thank you California, Washington, and other states for sending us your derelict homeless people. Portland used to be a nice place but with tent cities, homeless tents and garbage everywhere, LGBTXYZ… attitudes, protesters, selfish XY generation, no one wants to work for thier selves, they have no christian values and hate authority, have no respect for the president so stay out of Portland unless you want your back side to stink like a homeless person if you ever ride max train or trimet buss.. Portland city council spends property tax money to lure in more homeless people every day by offering housing and support yet my taxes go up and up only to help the stream of crack addicts bused in from elsewhere

  60. It took almost 2 years but I finally left Portland. I thank God weekly i’m no longer scared to go outside on errands, facing daily racial passive aggression. I got told to go back to Mexico (should mention I’m not even Mexican just tan) and cursed out at gas station. Jokes on you loser as you’ve recently lost your jobs. No one warned me about the racism of Portland and how no one wants to admit it. They gloss over it and put more care into the environment and taking care of it over caring for human lives. I love how locals are so quick to defend and say how they don’t need any new people. They want to dwell in their isolation and ignorance. Guess what? Portland sucks, there’s plenty of places with beautiful nature and better attitudes.

    Portland is for white people.

    • Where did you end up? Definitely, Portland (all of Oregon really) is super racist and passive aggressive, or just plain aggressive.

    • I am white as the driven snow but even I noticed the racism in Oregon. I had a friend ask me if the deep South was worse and I said- the deep South was about a billion times better. The level of racism here is absolutely APPALLING. I feel bad for any non-100% white person who comes here. Just last week I was sitting at a bar, being treated well for once, and a nice looking black couple came up and apparently stood at the bar entrance- you couldnt really tell- blocking it. You would have thought they’d detonated a bomb with how people act. I’ve never noticed racism before and dont consider myself a very “woke” person- but this is constant and unmistakable. I don’t even feel like Portland is in America- no minorities and outright racism. Frankly disgusting to watch!

    • Tell me about it. I am originally from Hong Kong, and moved to Portland because of my aunt. One day she just came in and just completely chewed me the f**k out, and cryptically told me to go back to HK and “have fun while it lasted before ICE kicks you out”. And she’s a deep-blue bonafide progressive.

  61. Wow and you say you hate Portland. Sounds like you love it. If the people that gave out the bus passes had compassion they never would have sent them here, to the cold. At 51 I expect to at least enjoy the places that my grandfather help to build and not have then over run with ingrates that trash the place. You are the typical whiner. Thinking your coming here to create a future for yourself when you are just ruining Portland and then bitching about it. Then you think your going to make me feel bad for complaining about tons of homeless being shipped here. I have kids that would like to be able to walk in their neighborhood without finding syringes filled with drugs compliments of the homeless that you pitty and criticize me for not being compassionate about. You are right I do not have compassion for most of the homeless that are homeless by choice cause they are too lazy to do- what it takes to live. Get 2 jobs if you have too. We all have sad stories but you don’t see us living on the streets and shooting up or using meth. I feel sorry for the older ones with mental health issues and the vets but not the druggies which is the majority. Basically, you are what’s wrong with society today. I am not banging away my anger at someone trying to start a family. You will not win this argument by trying to belittle me and make me feel bad for my behavior. I am angry at the pathetic people on this site bitching about how they hate Portland, yet the reason they hate it , is people like you ruining it. Native Portlanders are polite, compassionate and friendly but when you throw in newby young assholes from outside who think they know something about Portland and bitch about it, we become not so friendly. Coming from a poor family who worked their asses off to support 3 kids on a mechanics salary and spent every last penny on Catholic education for them, Multnomah falls was one of the free places we could go and enjoy. That and the beach but now that is overrun by outsiders just because you want to make a better life for yourself. In the process you ruin our home and take what little enjoyment my parents have left. So yeah I am a little angry. Think about that for a while instead of yourself.

    • Did I say the people who ship homeless people around have compassion??? This has been going on for decades, to many, many cities. That’s the point. You’re not special. Everybody in every city is trying to figure out what to do, You are suggesting the EXACT thing that you claim to hate – Ship everyone off to someplace else…If you’re a Catholic why do you believe you should have no compassion for someone trying to start a life somewhere? Why do you think it’s not your responsibility to be a good neighbor and communicate with newcomers? Discuss the problems that newcomers have brought to you personally, how do you wish they could be solved? Why are you angry at people that don’t have the good fortune you had of family to give you a foundation to build upon? Why do you believe I, or anyone else here have trashed anything and all homeless are from someplace else and not an Oregonian or specifically Portlander that suffered from terrible economic situations that I have already pointed out? Because you see homeless kids downtown begging and leaving trash? Do you really think kids on meth living in vans have the resources to make comments on this page? Do you really think independently wealthy people that have moved to Portland from someplace else go to a blog to find some understanding? Yes the people you’re banging away your comments at, “Go Home, Leave, Thanks you Pigs etc” are most likely perfectly decent people, just like you, who just thought Portland would be a reasonable place to live with access to outdoors and job growth. Wow that must be terrible to have new taxpayers and neighbors that have those values.

      And I went to Multnomah Falls once because I was working hard and didn’t have the resources to spend much time doing anything outside of the city. Same goes for the beaches. I didn’t bitch about Portland to a single Portlander, I left. You’re welcome. Enjoy your inheritance.

      And to the folks trying to do their best, You have every right to make your life what it can be, where ever you want it to be. Happy New Year.

      • Well said, NotPortland!

        I left as fast as I could. I didn’t cause the problems—I came with a work ethic, good manners, and expecting concern for the environment at least equivalent to my own. Found none of that among the natives.

        Believe me, Portlander, outsiders leave as fast as they can. You are more than welcome to your city. Maybe you should travel more to see how pleasant the rest of the country is? But, on second thought, don’t…do everyone a favor and stay where you are.

        • Thank you Anne and glad you got out. I think Portland is particularly hard for women. It seems like it will be a good place but it’s harsh and judgemental. I learned people like Portlander just don’t have the same life experiences and probably isn’t a bad person but can’t see the big picture. They don’t know the problems they are talking about are everywhere because they haven’t lived anywhere else or traveled so they mistakenly associate the problems to all new people. I understand this mistake but I never found a way to communicate to any native how ridiculous it is to blame one person personally for major social issues. It’s futile to try when the only thing that would prove it is living somewhere else and seeing the same problems happening with a totally different set of people. No one group is personally responsible, but they would never leave Portland to experience that soooo….Congratulations on getting out and being around people that can see a problem objectively and do their best to make their community better anyway.

          • I have been other places and didn’t like the unfriendliness. Not blaming one person but all of you. Did you read the comments? Portlanders are stupid and smell. The women are fat and ugly. Seems to me maybe it is your concept of what friendly and beautiful look like. There are not a lot of facelifts and fake BOOBS here. I personally appreciate the realness. Who is making the community better. You all run for the hills, you are not helping. Portland is beautiful if you appreciate it. It goes through hard times just like any other place but the only difference is natives dont leave. The peei you have met that are unfriendly are most likely from California. Obviously I am not getting through your think skull and small minds. So go ahead and continue trash talking Portland and bitching about how everyone smells and how ugly d fat the women are and how stupid and uncompassionate and friendly we are. Yes thank you for your great insight.

        • I have been other places. I am glad everyone is leaving. Smart move. Bye take the rest of the garbage with you. I plan to stay. My family has been here for centuries.

      • You are very ignorant. Read the comments that I responded too. You can read can’t you? The comment like “people here are stupid and smell.” Try having a little compassion yourself. Compassion for the people that can’t afford to have homes because of all the influx of people from other states. People that cannot walk paths due to the homeless leaving needles around. For the people that have been displaced by the outsider that thought it was fun to light a smoke bomb in the forest and burn acres and homes includi g Multnomah falls. Yes Portland has been trashed by “you.” Just because i was raised Catholic doesn’t mean i practice it you moron. I am- angry because you winers are complaining about Portland and you are the reason it has turned to s**t. So yes please feel free to come to Portland and start a new life but don’t bitch about it and expect us natives to sit back- and take it.

        • Portland is turning to trash not because of newcomers but because of the government policies and people that elect those officials. I noticed that businesses moving out of downtown because of the homeless problem. I personally stopped parking in certain downtown parking garages because the smell is unbearable.

    • I’ve lived here for twenty years. People like you are a big part of what is wrong with this city and the state at large. “I’m upset that homeless people are here” is such an utterly lame political argument. If you’re so upset about them, follow your heart and go Rudy Giuliani on their asses. Oh, you don’t want to do that? The truth is that the reason why you don’t want to do that is not because you are “compassionate” and “liberal”…it’s because you’re LAZY and too self-absorbed to contribute civic involvement. You can barely look after your own personal matters, and yet you squawk about the homeless trashing up downtown. Let me give you a dose of reality. Oregonian “NATIVES” (they pride themselves on this, for some unknown reason) are all too often (say it with me) LOW. QUALITY. PEOPLE. Who sit at home watching tv every night after they get off work. Very similar to “natives” of Montana and other insular, creepily-isolated states.

      • 20 years is nothing. There is no helping the homeless. No native sits at home and watches tv moron. We don’t bitch about the rain either. We still go out and home in the rain. Never said I was liberal. I am conservative. I have lost a lot of my compassion especially for people like You. You are bitching at the wrong person. Only someone of low quality would say someone else is low quality.

    • I am always so perplexed when people refer to themselves as “Native Portlanders”. Your relatives may have been here for centuries, but are you indigenous people? My relatives came here from Italy, but I certainly don’t regard myself as a “Native.”

      • Definition of NATIVE- Person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth, whether subsequently resident there or not.
        “a native of Montreal”
        I knew I was dealing with ignorance but geez.

  62. The reason Portland sucks. I have lived here my whole life and I am 51. It used to be so nice. It didn’t really start to get bad here until about 2008-2010. The population started to grow and the areas that were not so savory shifted to other areas. Now I can’t even go to Multnomah falls because there are so damn many people. If people move back to where they came …….yes I said that and take the homeless people with you. It was not like this beforw but I hear that other cities are giving the homeless free one way tickets for the bus and plane if they move here. So all you people that are complaining about how crappy it is here, it’s because of you. The reason people don’t go outdoors anymore is because you all moved here and Ruined it for us. So yes if we are so stupid, please get the he’ll out and ruin some other place. You all know who you are.even out beaches sick now…thanks you pigs.

    • 51 years? It sounds like you’ve had more than your share of the Portland joy. Maybe it’s time for you to move somewhere else. I’d suggest California or Washington, but you’d never survive there. Maybe you should try Arkansas. Or Gresham.

      • I am a true Portlander. I don’t quite when things get bad. I would never move to a place where everything and everybody is fake like LA. I just keep hoping all the trash that has moved here and screwed things up, move back to where they come from. Portland, believe it or not was once a beautiful place to live. We never had to worry about much crime. But now that everyone has moved here and brought the trash with them, you’re right it does suck. I am holding out for the future and thankful that everyone thinks it sucks. Only a true Portlander can appreciate Portland and the rain, by the way, is why it’s so green here. Why don’t you move to Boise with all the other followers.

        • And Gresham used to be nice too. Now it’s full of trash too. The only place that was sketchy and no one went to was North Portland and some of NE Portland but you all ruined that too.

          • You are the shining example of why anyone with courtesy, manners, education and self respect should leave. The reason you felt a population increase 10 years ago is because the millennial generation was starting to join the workforce and move around the country for jobs, school marriage, like everyone else and every generation before them and yes some moved to Portland – a trickle compared to the other major West Coast cities. Meanwhile the baby boomer generation, the other largest generation, has failed to retire and remains in the workforce and housing market. There is massive job and housing competition in most urban parts of this country as the 2008 economic housing crisis destroyed the housing market and made it impossible for the industry to keep pace with housing needs for two massive generations to coexist in jobs and housing. While technology has both forced job creation in very specific markets and destroyed industries in other markets. This is not the fault of any one single person and banging away your hatred at young adults trying to make a life in Portland or seniors who couldn’t afford to retire unless they moved to a cheaper home is pathetic. The homeless, drug, opioid crisis is everywhere and is largely a result of people that fell through the cracks during the economic crisis of 10 years ago. People who lost their homes or jobs weren’t the best at taking care of themselves or their kids. People couldn’t afford college when they were in an upside down mortgage or their parents were. Sure some people just suck, but the majority of people you’re talking about that have received a bus ticket literally have spent this past week in the worst conditions you could imagine to spend the holidays. But you whine about not enough parking at Multnomah Falls…And you’re 51. Happy New Year Portlander, you deserve all the compassion, joy, security and comfort of the new year in Portland that you believe has been so wrongly taken from you that you would never dream of offering another.

    • But if you have lived in other metro areas in the US (LA, SF, Chicago, NYC), there’s a better basis for comparison. Also, the problems with this city aren’t readily apparent. We thought Portland was great until we moved here. It took about a year to realize what a mess it is.

  63. The people aren’t friendly. I volunteer at my kid’s school and the other volunteers barely acknowledge my existence. I had no trouble making friends in other parts of the country. In Portland, it feels like everyone else has already reached their quota of friends.

  64. So many options, but I will file my two most recent grievances.

    1. This headline:. “Commissioner Eudaly Staffer, Who Attended an Avocado-Toast Based Party With Portland Tenants United, Cleared of Wrongdoing By Elections Officer.”. I got to “party” before my eyes rolled back in my head so hard that I momentarily went blind. To say nothing of my feelings about Eudaly, why is “avocado toast party” a thing?

    2. The photo in the article of avocado toast at a restaurant that was literally a plate of toast and a plate of avocado next to one another. Why is this a thing? Why do restaurants make money on this ridiculousness?

    • After reading comments I want to make a more in depth post (although the avocado toast party thing still has my brain hurting).

      I just left Portland and the state all together. Couldn’t be happier. Let me list the reasons why:

      1. It’s dirty af. The homeless issue is so far out of control that there is just no hope to fix it. I get it. Some people are genuinely down on their luck, many can’t afford the ridiculous cost of housing there (more on that later), and some have mental health and addictions issues. But Portland is the only place where I have heard of the following phenomenons, both of which put a strain on the social services there:
      A. The homeless by choice. This is a real thing. Opb went and talked to a bunch of homeless people last summer. Several said that they get free services and can put their tent on nice waterfront property for free, so why work.
      B. People moving to PDX to be homeless. Read many articles and interviews What in the actual f**k.

      With that, you have bike paths and side walks covered in trash and excrement. The city passes ordinances to allow for things like overnight camping but don’t put in basic services like trash and public restrooms to support the effects of those policies.

      2. It’s polluted af. The traffic is horrendous these days. It used to be that it took maximum of 30 minutes to get from point a to b anywhere in the city, but that now seems to be a minimum. Also who liked those wildfires last summer? I enjoy feeling like I am breathing through a straw.

      3. The “creative class.”. Oh f**k you, just say “unemployed.”

      4. The weather. My last 12 months in pdx were rain, snow/ice, rain, everything is on fire.

      5. The people. Jesus they are just ridiculous. Pretentious assholes who are fake nice. They think they know everything and they don’t know s**t.

      6. The hypocrisy. I sat through a class where a white guy with dreadlocks who lived in the Pearl district talked to me about black oppression and redlining. No. Just no.

      7. Chloe Eudaly.

      8. The cost of living. Our rent kept going up, so we bought a house (during the recession). Then our property taxes kept getting jacked up so much that we might as well have been battling the rent increases. The only upside was cashing out, paying off nearly all of our student loans, and putting a healthy down payment on a house out of state. The downside of that was bridging the gap with a 1400/mo basement apartment that reeked of cat piss and cigarettes had massive plumbing issues, and a bathroom wall that was so rotted that the tile was falling off. Did I mention the lack of updates to any of the appliances or interior since the 1960’s? What a bargain!

      9. The lines. Omfg. If you wanted to do anything (brunch, post office, grocery store, gas), be prepared to stand in line forever.

      10. Trimet is a joke. The max is an overpriced trash heap with daily issues because Trimet was too stupid to make it grade separated where it would really count. They decided to mix trains, buses, cars, bikes, and pedestrians on the same roads downtown. Fun! What could go wrong? Also, “frequent service” lines are a joke and the non frequent service lines don’t run often enough to even be worth it.

  65. I was looking through a thread about Seattle the other day where one user commented on, among other things in Seattle’s social scene, how, according to her, Seattleites never answer their phones and always communicate through social media channels like Facebook. This observation resonates with me as an Oregonian because I think it sums up what makes Portland so discomforting and truly “weird” for many; most people here would rather hang out on Facebook than in real life. There is a noticeable disconnect here: someone’s curated online image will show a lot of activity and connections but then, in real life, you know that they don’t really leave the house often.

    Many a time I’ve heard someone say to me in conversation, in reference to a mutual acquaintance, “Oh, I haven’t seen them in years!” It would make more sense if they lived miles apart and were extremely “busy” with a demanding career, but the city proper is no bigger in size than a small town and, what’s more, you know that no one around here does much. So what is it that kept you from hanging out with this person for years upon years?

    Bear with me while I explain what I’m getting at through a story. There is a lot of talk of Portland’s various “scenes” being frozen in varying levels of neglect from starving artist types. When I used to go out to shows more often it seemed like a huge tragedy: ten people bothered to come out for something that I genuinely thought was unique and worthwhile. And then the ones who came out were oftentimes just people who thought they were big s**t, and not necessarily people you wanted to know. It took me a while to get it. The unfriendly reality is that people in this town are by and large closed off and self-involved. The sense of “community” is “dissolving” because it was tepid to begin with. The isolation was good for creating one or two waves of a “scene” but then, afterwards, few cared enough to pick up the torch. Image is more important than who you really are, here. At the end of the day, the younger newcomers would rather curate a tumblr/instagram where THEY are the art, rather than make the art (the two are not so far apart, after all). And when neither camp shows much interest in making other things, like making other people smile, then what does the distinction really matter, anyway? This situation seems to me to be a metaphor for the city as a whole. What did you expect? Now that rental prices are skyrocketing and ugly new buildings are popping up left and right, displacing non-white people rapidly, how can you say you didn’t see it coming? Who feels truly “happy” in Portland, now? Travel-bloggers?

    • The absolute worst part of Portland is the people. Holy s**t, some of the nastiest, ugliest (inside and out) people I’ve ever met. I have never encountered so much hostility in one place in my life. I moved there from NYC and New Yorkers are 100 times friendlier than Portlanders. The passive aggressiveness is out of control. I worked for 2 years at a store where many of my co-workers would avoid eye contact and never once said a friendly word to me the entire time we worked together. For no apparent reason. I just left there after 2.5 years and I am am so happy to be out.

        • Think it’s time for me to unsubscribe as I’ve been out of Portland for a few months now. I can honestly say again to those trying to get out, it’s been completely mind-blowing how negative the people in Portland are in comparison. We all have faults and struggles, Portland is not the place to sort them out. You won’t get help or compassion or a career or friends to help you (re)build your life. I don’t use drugs or alcohol and have a white color job so I understand it was easier for me to leave but I want you to know if you’re struggling with issues in Portland, ANYONE can be made to feel crazy and desperate there. Go someplace with opportunity, whatever that means for you, and get some help to work on the problems that aren’t Portland’s fault in your life. Thanks for being a sounding board to get out and I hope the admin of this site adds some resources to this page. Add a support group #, some housing resources maybe? a FB roommate group?, something to help people keep going. Portland is lonely as f*ck and can drive anyone mad. Don’t let it, you just keep taking care of you until you’re ready to leave. Peace and understanding during the holidays.

          • Thank you. I have moved around the US and landed in Portland thinking it would a decent new beginning. I found your reply to be the most healing. I have been here a year and I’m leaving in two weeks.

            The people are not easy to get to know and the place is completely depressing. My demand in the job market in large cities such as SF, LA or NY is competitive and haven’t ever had issues finding jobs, but I felt black balled here on every level.

            I thought it was me until last month. Even though it is very pretty here at times, I think this is the most miserable place on earth in terms of gatherings of people, job opportunities. discrimination of outsiders, and just mindset.

            Perhaps the cloud layer changes people into subhuman depressive sheoples.

            I don’t care to find out anything further…I’m counting the days….

          • Good for you Em and I’m glad you found the things you needed to believe in yourself. You sound well intentioned and clearheaded. The blackballing is real and it takes a lot to figure out how damaging that is to ambition and drive. This is why people end up choosing depression and poverty in Portland, because they were criticized and ignored over and over again when the reality is it’s under qualified, under experienced, under educated locals afraid of job competition making bs up. Understandable fear but not ok to convince a person they are valueless because of fear. Good luck where you land in the new year.

          • Every once in a while I like to suggest we meet at one of the best bars in Portland, The Goose. Every problem in these posts could be ameliorated by a glass.
            Everyone? Get a grip. We all need to be our own best friend.

      • lol did you work at New Seasons or Whole Foods? That whole vibe is truly the reason why this place is a joke, a paradise for cold-blooded yupsters from another planet. No…on second thought, the fact that Willamette Week ran an issue with a prominent local white supremacist on the cover, with the witty caption “The White Stuff” in tow…maybe that’s a better representation of this town…

    • I knew some people that said that they would not attend events unless they were sent an invite via Facebook. Same type of people that would go out and post pictures and updates to Facebook all night, rather than just being out and being in the moment. Worse, they would both make the same exact posts the only difference being the side of the table the photo was taken from. I hated doing anything with them because of that and the million stupid tags I would later have to filter out. Always made me die inside a little.

  66. This antiquated city is so a$$ backwards. It lacks any real sense of culture. Unless of course you’re white and gay. There’s nothing wrong with being white and or gay but that’s all you have here. White people and gay people whom refer to themselves as “they.” I mean really, your gay, so what. Who cares! In NYC or LA or San Fran you are gay or straight or black or white or Christian or muslim and people couldn’t care less. In those city’s its more about what you have to bring to the table. In Portland it has more to do with which community you represent. Who you are on the outside is more important than what’s on the inside. Portland has more to do with what you are as opposed to who you are. Hence the saying, people make NY, Portland makes people.

  67. Used to live there. 3 years and I was SOOOO done with it. Have never HATED a place so much. Like my soul hated it there. My family lives there. They’re able to cope with/it but I couldn’t. I felt bad leaving cuz my dad was happy we were all there but for my sanity I had to leave.

    Seriously, into my 3rd year every morning when I woke up, I wanted to jump off a bridge. No joke. I was SOOOO tired ALL the time. I wanted to sleep all the time. I kept thinking about jumping off a bridge just so I can sleep FOREVER. Stupid I know, but that’s how I really felt.

    Moved to Houston. Hate the humid weather but it’s still better than OR. I love that there’s always something to do here almost every weekend. And they go all out for the holidays.

    Advice: if u hate oregon, get out before u lose your sanity.

    • “Like my soul hates it there” this, how can this be universally true for so many people?? It’s not the weather, something is seriously, seriously wrong in Portland

      • What depresses me about Portland is all the homeless people camping on the sides of the roads and on the freeways. If Portland didn’t cater to them maybe they would leave. Please spread the news that Portland sucks to all your friends so we can get back to the beautiful place it used to be.

        • I believe someone who doesn’t have a home, and sleeps in the rain, while exposed for anyone to take their prejudice and hate out on them…would agree with you. Homelessness is depressing. That part of PDX must suck for them.

          I will spread the word. Homelessness in PDX does suck…for them.

    • I got seriously depressed there and couldn’t figure it out. Then I moved out of state and got some clarity and realized that it is just a culmination of soul sucking BS and not a single factor that made me feel crazy.

        • I dare to differ. Have you lived near the city where white swat team beings screamed “BRING IT YOU f**kING ANIMALS,” at people protesting the murder of Michael Brown? Check it out. It’s worse.

  68. I have lived in many states across this nation. Miami, KC, Chicago, Columbus etc. By far Portland is the worst city. What makes it the worst is the stupid people. I have never seen so many poor people be rich. I have never seen a town that thinks it liberal & all I hear is racist names everywhere in PDX. This town is backwards. Remains me of the South. Atlanta is 100x better. That is how bad Portland is. I can go on about this backward city

  69. its not liberals creating the wage/cost of living issues as much as lack of controls on growth, laws favoring development above all else, and OR has long been a welfare state

    • The reason Portland sucks is that you are perpetually dealing with people who have mental health issues. It’s not just people who have unfortunate poverty/mental health circumstances, it’s neighbors, service industry, students, etc. There are simply wildly low mental health expectations in this community. Of course people with mental health issues should not be locked up or shunned from any community but it is completely abnormal when a person with severe anxiety or depression manipulates and or controls everyone else around them. From the alcoholism, to the intergenerational racism and depression, high domestic abuse rates – there is a problem here and newcomers see it just like seeing anything with fresh eyes, and are struggling with it as it is not tolerated in other cities of this size. Again, this is not specifically homeless, it is anyone with mental health issues being destructive to the community or others in the workplace, home/ public/community, while emotionally healthy people bend over backwards avoiding this paranoia, anxiety depression or other related issues. Your trees and coasts are beautiful, there are fun things to do and many other good things exist here. No, it is not a blanket statement that Portland sucks, but for newcomers this is the real problem, mental health needs to be addressed here for all classes and interactions in the community. Shunning outsiders (newcomers) is a form of abuse and is a sign of severe self esteem issues. Your problems with Californians are your problems with yourself.

        • I am officially out, crossed the border Friday and will never look back. I left with little and am taking a big risk but Portland is not worth your sanity. If you have friends or family somewhere else take their help to leave, if you don’t, believe in yourself to leave. The place is an abusive s**thole, it’s not your imagination, there’s nothing wrong with you, it’s gross, exploitive people that will take all your money in rent, bad business deals, or any way they can. They are swindlers and con artists, they treat women and minorities like dirt so they can take advantage of them. Conservatives are not my favorite people but I’ve never seen such total bulls**t of people treating each other like s**t over politics on both sides. Portland is pathetic. I am fortunate to be able to leave and I hope you are too.

    • Very true.
      But… where should we go?
      I don’t want to move to another place where the dominant culture is of fakes and flakes.
      Any suggestions of places with authentic, kind and no politically correct attitude?

      • Pittsburgh isn’t bad if you’re looking to avoid politically correct and want an affordable lifestyle. Not great if you don’t know anyone though and kind of trashy in some ways but still a nice mix of a small city with a big city in some ways that Portland is. They are happy to have people want to move back so new folks are often welcomed for buying their grandmas house for double what they thought they’d get instead of the Portland ridiculous attitude of blaming and insulting people from other states for “ruining” their housing market while they pocket the profits from grandmas house to start another uninspired restaurant “concept” aka. Fair Food Cart…Santa Fe is ok if you’re looking for warm weather and can get a job first.

      • I am from LA, and loved it there. It’s diverse, vibrant, cultured. It’s expensive, that’s a down side. I wouldn’t live anywhere midwest or east coast.

      • I am an authentic, kind person and I am moving to the Seattle area. I am originally from Tacoma so it’s not a huge change for me. Remember though, there are fakes and flakes everywhere you go, so use discernment. 🙂

  70. They are the same- passive aggressive, non commital – check out the phenomena known as the “Seattle No” .
    It will drive you bat s**t crazy.

  71. I spent a year in Portland in 2000
    I’m from the Philadelphia area.
    I thought that the people there were politically correct under achievers.
    Slow and stop is pretty much their operating mode.

    • I think that’s why I can’t get a job here, even when willing to work for 1/2 my NYC salary & turn in “great” test projects. It’s obvious I could do the work and the slow & barely capable don’t want to look bad by comparison. I’ve heard this happening to other outsiders here.

  72. I’ll add Oregon (the parts I’ve been to) in this review too, in additional to Portland, Oregon.

    My background: I grew up as a kid (4th grade and lower) in St. Paul, Minnesota. I grew up (4th grade to 12th grade + some college at U.C. Davis) in California (central valley area).

    I’ve been living in Portland, Oregon for almost 20 years. My worst complaint are the stupid drivers, poor road building system/techniques/work ethics, and poor education system. Back then (and now) there were (are) the idiotic (sometimes infuriating) drivers that drive 5 mph below the speed limit, on the fast lane, sometimes side by side with another driver on the right lane, thus blocking traffic for 5-10 mins at a time until I’m able to finally speed up and past. I can’t tell if these morons are native Portlanders, or just outsiders who don’t know how to drive. Some are old (which I sort of don’t blame, but do still blame because they should be moving to the friggen slow lane), and others are normal looking, working-aged people. If you’re one of these morons, watch out because you might piss off someone not to nice and get shot in a road rage incident or something. Just a warning to you clowns. I’ve actually hydroplaned before in hard rain in northern California going 5 mph below the limit, so I know how scary that can be. However, even when it drizzles just a little in Portland (it rarely does torrential rainfalls like in Wyoming or Montana – and I should know because I head out to Yellowstone almost every June, and we get those torrential, almost category 1-2 hurricane force winds and rain each time we go), the morons in Portland drive like dips**ts. Usually the f**ktards going slow on the fast lane are Priuses or Subaru hatchbacks, but can be other cars too.

    When I first moved here almost 20 years ago, traffic was not too bad, other than those aforementioned stupid drivers. Driving from the west side to Gresham took about 30 minutes. Today (2017), traffic is the worst I’ve ever seen. That same drive now takes 45 minutes to sometimes an hour. Weekends can be worst than weekdays, and even at 11 pm, cars are all over the freeways. One of my cousins from St. Paul/Minneapolis, Minnesota was surprised to see cars on the road after 10 pm.

    Now, I do a lot of camping and driving to National Parks, so I’ve been to more states than most people. For the longest time the top speed in Oregon is 65 mph. I recently saw 70 mph near the Idaho border. Otherwise, it’s like 55 mph on state highways. Other states have signs showing 80 mph, so 55 mph is a joke when you’re used to faster speeds. Although, looking at http://www.carinsurancecomparison.com/which-states-have-the-worst-drivers/#Table2016 you can see states with higher speed limits do have higher fatality rates, therefore theoretically even though stupid Oregon drivers infuriate you and I, you’re less likely to die in Oregon.

    In California, Cal Trans (California Transportation) tears town entire stretches of freeway and redoes it overnight. In Oregon, the same distance takes f**king years for ODOT (Oregon Department of Transportation). No joke. What might take a few days or just weeks for California to do, Oregon takes like f**king 5 years or more. Sometimes you see cones and s**t out there with signs saying road construction, but you don’t see any work done for months at a time. And I’m not talking the rainy season either. The drivers, and ODOT appear to be a manifestation of the same attitude.

    California smog regulations are strict. When we moved up, Oregon DMV knew this and allowed our cars to pass their tests promptly. In Oregon, if you live outside the Portland metro area, you do NOT need to do any sort of smog check for your car. So if I lived in Salem, Oregon and purchased a s**tter car that smelled like s**t, it wouldn’t matter. Oregon doesn’t care. The very first thing I noticed when moving to Oregon was I had to turn on my f**king air recycler in my car so I wouldn’t have to smell the nasty exhaust from other cars. And, this is in the Portland metro area, almost 20 years ago! I don’t know if this is due to the poor DEQ standards, or if it’s other drivers from other parts of the state just driving in the Portland metro area. Either way, I didn’t have to do this in California (Fresno and Sacramento areas) and feel this is reducing my lifespan. The only consolation for me is I live 0.5 miles from work and only drive 5 mins to work. Thank GOD!

    Outside of the Portland metro area, there are a f**kload of rednecks like you wouldn’t believe it. This is especially true of central and southern Oregon. I do a lot of camping in central Oregon (near Bend, OR) and classic signs of rednecks are pickup trucks, guns, fat women, beer belly’d and no shirt men, and stares, especially if you’re not Caucasian. These f**king rednecks like to trash campsites by leaving trash littered all over, and placing trash in the fire rings. Some will remove the rocks from other fire rings and move it over to their area, building a huge pit at the expense of other campsites. f**ktard behaviors are the norm especially for the Detroit Lake area and central Oregon. Seriously, like these redneck f**kers spend more energy trashing a campsite than they would if they simply took their trash with them or burned them. It literally takes more energy to go around and spread your trash around than it is to clean up after yourself like a decent human being. There was an incident where stupid a$$ Oregon college students trashed a California campsite too.

    On schools, the first thing I noticed when my sister (then in the 4th grade) moved from California to Oregon was the lack of homework, lack of field trips, and lack of basically everything. You have to bring in your own supplies etc. I took advanced placement (AP) courses in high school so I was surprised when my sister’s school only offered a few courses. Lame-o. And we weren’t living at the time in the ghetto that is North Portland or Southeast Potland (yes, Potland). I’ve been calling it Potland for awhile now, even before they legalized it. Keep Potland Wired!

    And yes, I hate that stupid f**king Keep Portland Weird sign. Living almost 20 years, I believe I have the right to call myself an Oregonian. I just hate the morons living here and am looking for a different place to move to. Also, the stupid a$$ governor signed a law allowing minimum wage to go to almost $15 in the next few years. Minimum wage is supposed to be exactly that! MINIMUM f**kING WAGE. It’s not meant as a living wage for someone to do this for the f**king rest of their god forsaken life until they die at 70 or something. What these clowns don’t seem to get is it’s only going to increase inflation and the cost of living for everyone else, and most employers will NOT give a wage increase to adjust for cost of living. Poor bastards who worked their way from $9 an hour to $15 an hour over the past 10 years or so are soon going to make about the same as some high school dropout. WHAT THE f**k? I got out of college with a degree and $30K student loans, and barely made $17 an hour. f**ktards want to drop out of school, with no student loans, and make almost as much as when I started. That’s just a load of bulls**t. f**king liberals.

    • Great analysis. I am convinced ODOT or whoever is in charge of the roads is intentionally trying to drive residents crazy. Hello, work overnight, yo. People have to use these stupid roads for important things, like WORK! And PPS, except for the charter schools, suck. Go charter or private, or don’t bother. They have so much money and funding and still manage to f**k it up. Crazy.

    • It’s not liberals. It is the fact the the wealthy in this sh_thole city are committed to keeping a peasant class of people to work the restuarant, bars,clubs and business’ they own. Fatter profit margin that way…You are spot on about the drivers being the worst in the nation. Overall, Portland is a dive. I would love to move back to Houston. It rocks the socks off of this place evan after the hurricane.

    • And yet you CHOSE to leave family and friends and a great career to move to Portland. What does that say about you? No one asked you to come. You and 100 others a day ruined a beautiful city with your demands for ugly condos. Not happy? Go the f**k home! Or go have a beer at The Goose. Just quit babbling. You are tiresome.

      • Bob, why are you still here? This is one place people who detest Portland can go to commiserate. We don’t need your stupid a$$ around here. You have zero clue what’s good and what’s not. Go pound sand.

        • Bob has a point. The stupid weed law is what changed Portland the most. No one has respect. Everyone is destructive and angry. Judgemental , rude and the homeless are having the worst time ever trying to rebuild so they can stand on their own two feet again. I also heard we are very limited to or no housing affordable so that means more homeless , more people and lots more problems.

          • I agree about the weed law. That’s probably why all the Californians moved here and Ruined it.

    • Oh my God, Portland is the worst city I’ve had the unfortunate luck to have lived in. It’s dirty, filthy in fact, it smells, hell you can’t even walk down town with stepping in either human or canine excrement. Why the hell would anyone move here? It’s a great place if you’re a stoner, have NO ambitions,, wanna get fat, and stay stuck inside 10 months of the year what a s**t hole!

    • Yea, it’s complete s**t. The people (as everywhere) are hit or miss, but the realtors have some agreement to raise the rents skyhigh and people, in general, act like they’ve made it to Nirvana and you’re just a has-been, two-bit actor in The Movie of Their Life. On the other hand, the natural environment is pretty nice. And legal marijuana, so…

    • I am in immigrant who moved to the States a few years ago. I lived in New England and Chicago prior to moving to Portland. Both places were awesome. I had tons of friends and connections.

      I cannot begin to describe you the hypocrisy of the average portlandian. They all say they accept everyone, but in fact, it’s just lip service. They only accept you with words and BLM signs in their yards. I’d be surprised to know if they’ve ever saw or became friends with black folks.

      If you have a different culture, opinions, and you do not behave like a typical white hippie – you are not welcome. And they will never tell you that directly, oh no, they will be passive aggressive about it.

      I am both VEGAN and LESBIAN and I thought this place would be heaven for me. Man… was I wrong. The LGBTQ community is combined with fake hippies who “love everybody”, but hate anything different than them. If you’re not obsessed with Hillary Clinton, you’re automatically a racist and close-minded person. They label you non-stop, but they “hate judgmental people”. Go figure.

      I’ve met two Transgender people here who told me it was WAAYYYY easier to come out as Trans than come out as Trump voters. Unbelievable.

      And I am not a Trump fan at all, but it’s OK to have a different view and STILL be friends. Wow, what a concept.

      No wonder immigrants and people of color do not move here. They have no room in this city, a room to express their authenticity. You have to be so politically correct to fit in. If you’re expressing yourself differently than the typical white Oregonian, they will shut you out.

      And I’m talking about the liberals here. Their fakeness is unbelievable. The way they cut out anyone who is different from them is contradicting their so called liberal values, that they’re so fakely passionate about.

      “We accept everyone”, so they claim. Bulls**t.

      Bottom line: there is absolutely no diversity in people and opinions. They’re like all clones or something. People here have no character. Seriously, they are all the same. I’ve really tried to meet someone who’s no a clone. Let me know if you find one.

      Move here only if you are:
      1. Passive-aggressive
      2. Saying you’re open-minded and tolerant to diversity, but in fact, you’re really not
      3. Flaky. If your word means s**t and you have no intention adhere to plans. Ever.
      4. A white hippie with no ambition and any sense of style or fashion
      5. Polyamorist who has zero interest in building a true intimacy and commitment with another human being
      6. Extreme liberal who lives in a bubble and has no connection to reality (and refuse to talk, not to mention be friends, with anyone else who has a different opinion than yours.)
      7. Not interested in having any close friends, only shallow and surface level friendships
      8. A really bad driver
      9. Lacking sense of humor and if people’s jokes often offend you
      10. Against any kind of success (but deep down you’re only jealous cause you know you will never achieve it with your lazy stoner a$$).

      • Lovo, are you still here? I know exactly how you feel! I’m not by any means conservative but I’m certainly not the Portland brand of extreme liberalism. I have lived here for three years and am counting the days to get out of this place. People here are all about image. Nobody really cares or accepts anything different. Hard work is not a virtue here. I feel like I’m an alien in some strange planet every single day in this town. Once vibrant and full of life, I am now defeated and gray like the skies, drowning my sorrows in craft beer – the only good thing aside from the beautiful landscape.

        • Hey chicken, I’m still here. Just saw your message. Felt frustrated again about the weird people here so came to see if there are new comments (and also get some kind of approval that I’m not crazy and others feel the same about this unbelievable town). I’ve been researching places to move to, that have reliable, authentic people who value true and meaningful connections. Any suggestions?
          Are you still here?

          • You have my sympathy, believe me. I moved to Portland on the recommendation of a friend (and based on a weekend visit, which wasn’t nearly enough).

            I spent a year genuinely trying to like the city and like the people, the next six months REALLY looking at what (and who) was there, and the next six months working like mad to get out. I didn’t have enough money to travel and look at other places to live, so I had to do all my research online. When the day came, I put my stuff in PODS, loaded my car, and took off for San Diego.

            I have to say, I truly love it here! The scenery is lovely in a whole new way for me, the people are intelligent, pleasant, and friendly—to my shock, they even smile!

            I live in North County SD, which is a mix of liberals and conservatives. Although I’m definitely liberal, I can deal with other views, but it’s easy enough to avoid politics if you need to. Having spent many years in the Midwest and East, I can honestly say I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else!

            My best suggestion is to just get out as soon as you can before you become paralyzed with depression and the “alternate reality” of Portland’s denizens.

          • Very well said, and thoughtful. It’s ok to leave and go someplace else without that much experience in the place. Most places won’t treat you like an outsider like Portland does. You don’t have to become a nasty deadbeat with so many psychological issues you can’t function. To anyone who is scared, I can’t promise you it will be perfect or easy where you go but I can promise you, you aren’t crazy for feeling miserable in Portland. You deserve better. Try someplace else or return to a place you know. Portland is never going to change, you can.

          • Lovo, Boodibablog, Anne, NotPortland — it’s great but also sad to read your replies. It can’t be a coincidence that so many of us, from such different walks of life, feel the same way. We need to get out of here while we still have our wits about us. No wonder this is one of the Tweaker and Suicide capitals of the US.

            I just came back from a short work trip during which I was free from the dark thoughts that plague me here. When my plane was about to land at PDX, I saw snow-capped mountains, rivers, forests…. Portland looked like paradise from up above, and I actually questioned my desire to get out of here. However, ten minutes after leaving the airport, the grime on the streets and the attitude of its inhabitants were simply overwhelming. People — tweakers, entitled hipsters, clueless hippies — are destroying Portland. We are not crazy for wanting to leave. We just see Portland for what it is.

            I’m currently exploring relocating to the Midwest or Atlanta. I’ll let you know what I find out!

      • Right on the money! I am not a Hillary supporter or liberal and am often outcast. I am expected to conform to the liberal agenda of be shunned. I also drive a full size pickup truck and fear an eco terrorist may destroy my ride. Should I get into the reactions I get when people find out I am a gun owner?

        I am going to throw it out in agreeance again… Oregon drivers suck. Even Florida folks can drive better–that’s pretty bad!

      • Perfect description of Oregonians in general, unmotivated, unwelcoming and close minded. They reek of jealousy and are intolerant of opposing views. There main f**king highway, the 5 is 2 lanes thru the city WTF? Nowhere from down in Mexico up to Canada does 5 have 2 lanes in a metropolitan area except Portland. f**k Portland

        • Can’t agree more, although I’ve found that it isn’t the natives as much as the holier-than-thou, oh-so-hip transplants. This city attracts the type of people who never moved past their angsty teenage years and are in a competition to see who’s cooler, weirder, and more liberal than everyone else. This creates a horribly cliquish and homogeneous culture where it seems nobody holds a traditional job and everyone acts and thinks the same in all their “weirdness.” But look underneath, beyond the tattoos and the Black Lives Matter/antifa/cause de jour tokens, and it’s all for show. Meanwhile, the city government fritters away tax dollars on ultra-liberal policies while neglecting education and the protection of its citizens. I don’t want to be here when the proverbial turd hits the fan.

          • “This city attracts the type of people who never moved past their angsty teenage years and are in a competition to see who’s cooler, weirder, and more liberal than everyone else.”

            This. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

          • Brilliant analysis. I live among angsty image-conscious middle schoolers who happen to be in their 40s. That’s it. Portland is for emotionally stunted people.

          • As one of those transplants you blame—one who came, saw, and left—if you are rational, I don’t think you can blame us. Have you noticed that most of the people commenting here are people from other places who know what having a good life is and go into shock when they hit Portland? If you are smart, you get out as fast as you can. If you stay too long, you just give up and spend the rest of your life whining. And if you like what you find there, you wallow in happiness and settle in to promote more of the culture you found upon arrival.

            You can’t blame the transplants who leave because—please notice—we aren’t there any more! The people responsible are (1) the people who were there to begin with and couldn’t maintain their own culture (if it did, indeed, have anything to recommend it), along with (2) the people who come and settle in with glee because they’ve found “their people”.

            As for the whiners, there are very few things in life you can’t change if you try hard enough. And I mean really try. I know because I’ve had to do it, more than once. Consider putting the energy it takes to whine into getting out. Just a thought….

          • Wow I can’t believe I am go in to say this but I agree with you. It isn’t the natives trust me I am one of them. I was offended by most of the other posts but not yours. You speak the truth. This is how I feel exactly.

      • For real, you just placed everything I feel about Portland in words. I moved from a city outside DC. Where I grew up, the classroom looked like a mini UN. I hate this place and it’s total hypocrisy and passive-aggressiveness.

        I’ve had two jobs out here. Both started straight away with coworkers/supervisors asking “where are you from?” and “why did you move here?” and promptly lead to vague, passive aggressive remarks like “this job really isn’t for everyone”. I’ve been in my field for nearly 10 years and no one has ever questioned if I’ve been right for my job till I moved here. Can’t wait to live in reality again.

        • Every single job, group, volunteer project, class was this ^^^. Where are you from, why did you move here. I also got, did you move here with money? how much is your rent? You must have no culture since you’re not living where you grew up etc….What I will say I came to terms with after the first year is that the locals in Portland probably don’t have any way of knowing that their city PROMOTES itself to all the overcrowded cities to gain Tax Revenue from new comers. This is truth. The actual number of people with a lot of money from someplace else looking to exploit Portland or surrounding areas by living cheaply and not putting money back into the local Oregon economies is very little. So if you’re a local reading this thread and you’ve gotten pissed off at a new comer for any of the reasons noted throughout this thread, I encourage you to TALK with that newcomer. Most likely they are lower middle class to middle class and just wanted to do better for their family, or hell have a family and potentially have work life balance. And for the unfortunate people who have little support in their lives, struggle with poverty, addiction and mental health, I assure you this is a national crisis and Portland is NOT special. What is unique to Portland is a very disorganized approach to helping these people. I’m not saying other cities aren’t failing at it too but I promise that doing nothing and waiting for homeless to die or move to the next city isn’t going to fix the problem either. Last, I’ve worked with born and raised Portlanders in other cities. It never once occurred to me to ask them any of these questions or make them feel unwelcome. I assumed they were gaining life experience and many talked about going back to the area someday and I wished them well on that journey to have good career experience to take back to their hometown. I didn’t think they were exploiting me, the company or the area they were experiencing. I was truly SHOCKED by the unwelcome reception I endured DAILY. I would never treat an Oregonian or anyone from any state this way and even though my experience was bad, I would still NOT treat an Oregonian with suspicion, distrust or blame in any future interaction I would have in another city.

      • It’s true that you cannot speak your mind in Portland. Everyone is afraid to say what they really feel. Foreigners and people of color do move here. No offense but that is part of the problem here. I am taking a huge risk here by saying that some areas where people of color live are high crime areas. It used to be predominately white here. People are afraid of people of color here because of the crime. The people that say they are liberal and love everyone live in the fancy neighborhoods where they don’t have to deal with all the crime and homeless people. There kids are not subject to “others.” There are so many druggies now. There never used to be. The people who i have met that are not originally from here are the liberal freaks.

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    • I’ve had enough of Portland, too. This past winter, in combination with the disgusting homeless problem and the insufferable hipsters. After 15 years, I’m taking my life elsewhere; someone else can have my spot in this craphole.

  74. You guys are so right. This is the doorway to hell. I am stuck until the husband loses his job or I leav. This place sucks the life out of you and just makes you want to die. Slow, stupid, tired, wet, pathetic. And they all think this place is some sort of nirvana. They are all so sun starved they think this is normal

    • Sarah, it’s not the sun. It’s the people. Read one of the earlier posts from Ben—he lived in London for 6 years and loved it. I don’t think you get much wetter than London. But you are absolutely right about Portland sucking the life out of you…hence, maybe the where the name of the website came from?

      • Oh god it’s happened to me… And I waited to long. I’m one of those who was at the top of my earning bracket as a senior designer in NYC and now I have two years of freelancing in PDX as a kiss of death on my resume. I’d have gone to Seattle last summer if that had worked out. Have a younger friend working at a company which just relocated a large portion of their new womens line staff in the past year and a half, but I’d already been out of a day job for too long here, and they didn’t want to meet me, even when they could’ve done it for free, despite the fact that my particular skill set was a perfect match… I may as well drink until my liver takes off down one of my pant legs. #gallowshumor

      • Today I officially leave this s**thole, good bye Portland, goodbye s**tty weather, s**tty people. Where homeless have more rights then property owners, where the collective ambition is to do as little as possible and goodbye to a city with its head so far up its a$$, it relies on mother nature to maintain the city streets. I’m coming back to SD and really wish I never left, this was two years out of my life.

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  76. Rain. Snow. Sunshine. Makes no difference. Worst drivers. I just pretend im back in asia where no one seems to know how to drive. Most flighty, flaky people who never learned the meaning of punctuality nor sticking to the plans. (To all the germans and nordic europeans, stay away from portland. It will drive you bonkers). Everything is always decided til the very last minute or even no show despite a prior committment. Downright rude or selfish in my opinion. Over preaching Liberalism and politically correctness have resulted in reverse psychology. Everyone is so concerned with not offending anyone, more rules and restrictions have been placed which seem to be stifling the very core values of acceptance, freedom and liberalism. Overrated city. It prides as a foodie city. There are plenty of restaurants eateries for sure. They all love to brag about the locally sourced food as the latest fad du jour catchphrase. despite all the braggings, most dont measure up to the hype. Ask any european or asian from either continent living portland. They will certainly validate my claim. Not much of a nightlife to speak of despite being labelled as a hipster town. ( i even look as an avid electronic music lover). By 11pm, there are no traffics in the downtown nor on the major highways to speak of even on the weekends. Its a city full of pansies who dont know how to hold their liquor and call it a night by 10. This city loves the idea of diversity, but a very little is reflected on the population makeup. Its just full of more of white folks. Oddest thing i have noticed about this town, maybe blame it on the rain. But i feel like im in the uk. There is disproportionate ratio of decent to attractive looking males outnumbering female counterparts. UK is one of the few places where i ve noticed this unusual phenomenon, where an attractive guy will settle and date an average to unattractive girl ( yep, i can be shallowed).

    • I moved here from the East Coast and the drivers act as if they are the only car on the road – driving with earbuds and completely devoid of others around them. It is as if they are used to driving covered wagons with only two modes – slow and stop. I agree the food here is not that great. No authentic Indian, Vietnamese, Indonesian, Japanese, etc. Most importantly, there is no fine dining. Portlanders can’t bring themselves to get out of their shower shoes and sweat pants to make themselves presentable. Hopefully, the southern Californians will bring some culture to this provincial city.

      • The Oregon drivers are just a metaphor for the whole place. I found EVERYTHING there to be just like the way they drive. You’re hopes that the Californians will change the Portland culture is largely in vain. I mostly found that the only people who were worth anything there were not from Oregon and had lived there for less than two years. Once someone is there for 2 years or more they just seem to conform to the depression, passive-aggression and anti-sociality of the place. And in my experience the people who don’t conform to that culture, leave. Nearly all of my favorite people- friends, co-workers etc who had energy and character moved. As did I last year, thank goodness! My life and mental state are back to normal now that I’m away from those tedious Portlanders. I still struggle with the fact that I lost 8 years of my life there, what a waste! Life is too short for struggling and getting nowhere for that long. I’ll come to peace with my loss but it will take me a while. My advice to others is if things don’t seem right there: trust your instincts and get out to a better place ASAP. Do what it takes, borrow money if you have to. Don’t waste your life there, it’s not worth it.

        Thank you to the people who keep this website up. It really helped me cope and I know it helps a lot of people struggling in that vortex of unhappiness and dysfunction. Good luck to all the good people out there!

        -boregonian

        • How well said, and what great advice!

          Sadly, I moved to Portland on the recommendation of a very good friend. Not even a four-day pre-visit opened my eyes before I moved because you don’t get to know the people—and it’s the people who are the problem.

          I got out one month before your recommended 2-year maximum, which entailed working hard for the last six months to find a better place (this time sight unseen due to finances) and make the arrangements. Believe me, I left just in time because I could feel the lassitude and hopelessness starting to set in. Two years really is the limit of tolerance.

          Boregonian, you are right—do whatever it takes to get out. I am now living in San Diego and couldn’t be happier. Truly, nearly every place is better than Portland.

          • Anne that’s so funny because I moved here two years ago from LA on the advice of a friend and a 4 day visit, i am now moving back to San Diego (I used to live there to). Portland is a piece of s**t, ur so right about two years. After that u start to assimilate and become as s**t as them. I can’t wait to get out of this city. I know it’s not going to solve all my problems but at least I’ll get a little sun. I can’t say enough bad things about this city. The people though at the number 1 problem because London has s**tty weather and I lived there for 6 years and it was the best time in my life.

          • 2 years is definitely the limit. Work hard to stay on your path to get out. Don’t listen to anyone else. Focus on goals or risk developing learned helplessness.

        • Ben, you’ve made me laugh! Any sane person has to wonder occasionally if they are crazy, but Portland is never something I wondered about. Nonetheless, it’s nice to hear that you come from a parallel universe!

          Be aware you will have a total shift in your perception of life once you get out and back to San Diego—all you will have to do to be happy is look out a window, any window. It’s effortless! It’s NOT PORTLAND!!!

          As for living in London and being happy despite the weather, I totally believe it. I am an all-weather person because I grew up in Michigan (snow), moved to Boston (everything), and owned a Labrador who needed to be walked to matter what. It’s never the weather—it’s the people.

          • What’s funny is how in Portland I’m not even attracted to the opposite sex. 90% are heffers that could knock me out. I have never met so many woman with BO besides when I’m in a third world country. Even then Portland chicks body dour gives any Indian a run for there money. Before I got here the gym and physical exercise was a way of life for me. I managed to keep it up for the first two years here but now. I have become lazy like most Porlanders (what’s funny is Portland claim to be the fittest city in the nation, don’t make me barf) they only exercise two or three months of the year here. Its so funny when I ask a lot of girls what they like to do, they always reply, hiking. Yeah that’s only possible 3 months of the year here 6 if u like rain. I feel like it’s getting harder and harder to get out of this crab in a bucket city.

          • Ben, listen to Boregonian—do whatever it takes to get out. This is your life. You only get one (unless reincarnation is real, but don’t test that in Portland, please). It sounds like you may have been there a bit too long, so just pack and go. Really.

        • Agreed. Took me ten years to leave, and like you I am still processing the wasted effort and mind numbing experience of the place. I am now almost two years away and though it’s not always easy here, but I still drive down the street with a smile on my face glad to be away from ‘the town self reflection forgot.’

        • Boregonian, are you still living in Portland, or did you find an escape? I need a dose of hope that escaping is still possible.

          • London, sometimes you just have to pack up and leave.

            That’s what I did, and I was 70. (I’d only been in Portland a year when I decided I had to get out if I wanted the rest of my life to be worth living.)

            If I can do that at my age, and move to a place I’d only researched online—literally I was down to “anything to get out”—you can do it too! Don’t waste any more of your life. Please!

          • Yes London, I did escape. I moved to the East Coast. The move itself was very difficult. But when I first moved, everyone seemed really happy here. Almost to the point of me saying “What’s their problem!” And then I realized that they’re not really that happy, they’re just normal and that Oregonians are REALLY unhappy people. And even though I was expecting that, it was still very stark. Oregonians are ignorant, miserable people. Ignorant in that they have NO IDEA how miserable they are: no self-awareness whatsoever. When you get out London, you will see this even more than you see this now. I’m SOOOOOO glad I don’t have to deal with those awful, miserable people anymore.

      • After a recent trip to SoCal for a wedding, it finally dawned on me. Portlanders can bad mouth SC traffic, but I’ll tell you what, I actually PREFER their traffic over OURS.

        The problem we have here is, too many commuters trying to make their minivan/full-size pickup/’classic’ muscle car and uh.., turn it into a DAILY driver!? So many diverse vehicles w/ hugely disparate handling and performance characteristics, braking, acceleration etc.

        Nearly everyone in SoCal that commutes.., well they drive commute-READY vehicles! Going to and from LAX from Thousand Oaks we noticed almost exclusively 2 or 4 door sedans no more than 3… possibly 5 years old! Guess what? It WORKS! Sure, there’s a few oddballs out there but by and large, they take their work a lot more seriously than we do. Thus a reliable, dependable [under warranty] vehicle!

        I swear, not a WEEK goes by ( and frequently, a DAY ) without seeing a roadside breakdown. Or a smoking, rotted 70’s-ish PU that can’t maintain speed on the slightest incline! Until we join the adult world of making payments and having sound autos.., our commute will continue to suck. It’s a commitment thing. One most of Portlanders don’t want to make! Payments..? That’s for LOSERS. Just look at my classic.., oh wait a minute..?

      • Right. Anything that starts and goes into gear is ready for the 205 at rush hour. Get in, it started..!

        But I didn’t realize how awful our cuisine is until I got back from a recent trip to Spain. Our food scene is awful. Bombing around Southern Spain in a ( 3-cylinder ) Citroen was an absolute blast. Ate at all KINDS of different places and across the board? Our food scene is awful.

        We’re uh.., planning to go back. Real soon! They get more sun in *February* than we get in JUNE. Rained (1) day out of the two weeks we were there. We’re the inverse…

  77. Now that I’m free, although my news feed is cluttered with friends from there and their Portland Issues, I just have to ask the following . Anyone with actual answers please feel free to reply.
    Why is crowdsourcing your daily living expenses for over a year an acceptable way of life? Seriously I’ve watched someone crowdfund their every day expenses all the way to eviction for almost a year – and not a single person in this souls life has told her to pull her head out of her a$$ and f**king get a job- any job. Her rent was subsidized and wasn’t subject to insane rate hikes that are plaguing the Pearl but she couldn’t get it done for over a whole year. She’s now homeless. And “can’t cohabitate with a roommate, because she’s an empath”- well have fun cohabiting with the homeless on the streets ! My personal belief is that if your situation is dire enough that you are facing eviction – you find a f**king job regardless of your empathic sensibilities and keep a roof over your f**king head, even if it’s Burgerville Starbucks Freddie’s McDonald’s – you do it and do it proudly. Don’t repeatedly send out email after email begging for funds to keep you alive. And then when the sympathy is tapped out- whine about how you are ALL alone on this earth and no one cares – seriously from a 40 yr old woman.
    Also why does everyone there have to identify as differently abled – therefore special and needing validation. Another aquaintance identifies as “trans ethnic” and identifies as Irish / Celtic but has not a drop of Irish blood in her nor has been culturally raised as such. But got herself a “panic attack” and “felt threatened” because a company thought and said she was full of s**t. She’s deeply offended and contacted the ACLU for assistance.
    As a manager of these beautiful citizens of Portland – I had an employee call the ethics hotline because “he was deeply offended” that I told him he needed to come to work. Seriously. That same employee – age 26- had his mommy call him out sick from work. Yeah.
    What is the attraction to having a disability and or be labeled to the point where you are requiring that to be called to the attention of everyone around you ?
    The west coast was settled by good sensible Yankee stock that moved west – except something happened between the plains and the expansion west – you all forgot to pull yourselves up by the bootstraps and your heads out of your asses.
    Peace.

    • Oh my God. This is the most Portland post ever. There are so many things in here that fill me with rage, but you are spot on. Everyone there has to be differently abled or somehow special or exempt from being a f**king adult. I hope you dumped that friend, cut all contact with that acquaintance, and fired that employee – they all sound insufferable and I don’t know who I hate more.

      • Hahaha, this is the true Portland. A whole bunch of people seeking the fastest way to disability checks. Freaking unreal. Never thought a place like this existed.

  78. Transplant of 5 years from Socal. The pervading culture here seems to embrace petulance and inanity; something I’ll never be able to get a grip on. The highest concentration of chidly, socially inept adults I have ever seen ANYWHERE in America. It terrifies me. It might be time to move on…

    • Okay, this is the best description I have ever seen of Portland- “the culture embraces petulance & inanity”. YES. The more petulant you can be, the more you are rewarded in Portland. I think people here are in a contest to see what the most minor issue is that they can have a meltdown over- I have seen people give dirty looks to someone for speaking into a cell phone in their presence (because Portlanders are used to socially awkward silence) among other things. Socially inept and childish is also perfect. It’s just bizarro world.

  79. Weird Isn’t Working! So sick of the dirty f**king hipsters and commies with Hillary and BLM signs on their lawns, seemingly one, or many times, more on every block. maybe if they looked into the people behind the violent terrorist movement/hate group, they would know that Black Lives Matter has been funded in 650 thousand dollars by George Soros, a Nazi collaborator who helped the Nazis send thousands of Jews to death camps to save his own life, and said he felt no guilt or remorse when interviewed about it on 60 Minutes with Stephen Kroft. Not to mention the fact that Black Lives Matter has caused millions of dollars in property damage in several major cities, Milwaukee, Baltimore, Ferguson, Charlotte, etc. and assaulted innocent bystanders at their riots. Why aren’t they protesting the fact that in New York City, more black babies are aborted than born, or that Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger, a racist who said “Colored people are like human weeds and need to be exterminated.” Most importantly, if Black Lives Matter to you, protest the fact that black-on-black crime kills several times more black people a year than police killings. Portland is full of brainwashed zombies and social justice warriors that need to wake up and do some research.

  80. Is that why they are changing the water source because they found parasites in the drinking water here. Willamette river is one of the most polluted in the states that’s why they have a superfund cleanup scheduled for it.

  81. You speak about visiting Portland and receiving nothing but kindness, I don’t doubt this but once living here and interacting with the people u will notice the contempt they have for outsiders and the superiority they feel because of their “liberal views”. If u doubt me then why are there so many yard signs here with people impressing there political views upon us. This town is so lacking in culture/ minority’s u would be hard pressed to find a black man outside of north Portland. There is no drive here, motivation is sorely lacking, everyone wants to do as little as possible and complains about house prices, the median price is $350,000 that’s not outrageous but u wouldn’t know that listening to them rant and rave here but offer no solutions except tax and pass cost on to land lord.

    • Right. People who visit and think they actually know what it’s like to live amongst 20 year old retarded lazy stoned hipsters who think they’re better than you but want you to pay for their housing and college, give me a break.

    • True, I for one am sick and tired of hearing these people complain that Oregon is “too expensive”. Yeah maybe it’s too expensive for the losers there that don’t finish high school, have minimum wage jobs, spit out kids that they can’t afford to take care of, etc… So many families with three kids, only one parent works and neither one of them has any schooling past high school. They do absolutely nothing to plan for their futures, they don’t take into consideration the cost and consequences of their decisions. They spend their money on tattoos, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, and other frivolous and unnessecary items. They do the bare minimum to get by and they don’t keep track of their finances whatsoever. I saw this one couple from Oregon that set up a go fund me page after the boyfriend had gotten into a car accident and of course they don’t have any saving for emergencies such as this. Then a few days after they put the page up the girlfriend posted that she had just gotten a new tattoo. That just goes to show how these people handle their finances and what their priorities are. It’s no ones fault but their own that they squander what little money they earn on useless crap instead of saving it or spending it on basic necessities. They would struggle to afford living anywhere, it’s not the prices it’s the people.

  82. Dearest f**k Oregon,
    What does it say about your own judgement skills that you left ostensibly of your own volution a place that the “more enlightened” lived and thrived? No one asked for your sullen demeanor and palbable faux superiority. I was just in Portland last week and I cannot reconcile the picture you paint with the comfortable kindness I felt all the way down to my gate at PDX. No doubt there are some bad experiences, but hey, nothing is perfect. I lived in Oregon for the first 30 some years of my life then first moved to North Carolina for 8 years. I heard an awful lot of “Yankee” jokes, was spit on during a half-marathon by a person of a different race, but still grew to love it. I was invited to be saved more times than I can count. Still the Midwest was tougher. You think Portland has religious weirdos? Try Missouri. Rural Illinois. Scary. Now live in the foothills of the Sierra Nevadas. I have found fun and enjoyable people in all areas. Are there creeps? Yes, of course. All you can do is endure and save yourself for happiness to come.
    Best,
    Bob

    • Bob, than you go right ahead and fork out a chunk of your paycheck in taxes so lazy hipster bums who whine about your cis white male privilege can get subsidized housing and have enough left over to pack and smoke their bong. They might even wave at you from their bikes on your way to work in the morning, if they’re up.

  83. I have escaped back to New England. Where there is health care and education and sanity.
    I am making more money and my kids have access to the best children’s hospital in the country ( which had to clean up after OHSU Doernf**kers)
    I wish you all the best in your plights to escape the hell that is Oregon.

  84. This place is total balls. Lived here 20 years & I can’t wait to leave. Actually made the decision w/ my spouse to get out of here. Why?

    1. If you’re not super liberal, as in simply moderate politically or not a total Trump hater or questions BLM tactics or whatever, you’re a social pariah. Wanna meet the most vitriol fueled hyperbolic big babies ever…then please…move here. In PDX you better agree or keep your mouth shut or get out. So bye!

    2. Smug arrogance everywhere in town. Go to the burbs & folks mind their own business & you don’t have “In Our America” yard signs every 50 ft. Here people love to congratulate themselves for being “tolerant” by putting signs, bumper stickers, and buttons on everything, as a reminder that, you know, they’re down w/ “the people.” Guess what…no one cares what you think about what you think. If you’re an actual regular nice person, you don’t need “flare” that proves it (see the movie Office Space).

    3. This truly is the place where lazy young people go to retire. It’s fun & cool until you notice that every store owned by some P. Town hipster has terrible to nonexistent customer service. It’s not rocket science. A “may I help you” is not hard but instead if you walk into some “cool” place you get a cold stare and that’s about it.

    4. The water here is terrible, the roads worse, and the politicians are as slimy as they come. This place is great if you’re into complaining about privilege & wanna find others to complain about how horrible straight white men are. But if you actually want clean water, decent roads to drive on, politicians who are interested in more than their own vainglorious gains, and like all kinds of people including the so-called unenlightened, then go somewhere else. Fo reals!

    • Wow… that is the BEST description of that crappy city as I’ve yet to read! It piqued in the 1990’s and went down hill soon after. Never been in such a city where so many people STUNK! Either of cigarette smoke or pot. And I’ve never seen such a lazy bunch of over-privileged whiners.. Yuk,,, Its actually the perfect city to see liberalism in all it’s stupidity!!

    • The water is terrible? Where the f**k are you from Iceland? The water in Portland is actually phenomenal and has been voted top 3 in the entire US. And as far as Trump haters, move your a$$ to Georgia then with all of the other stupid f**ks who don’t give a s**t about anyone besides themselves, their families, and their guns. Why don’t you talk about actually issues that make Portland actually suck, for instance, when we get snow, it f**king sucks because no one knows what to do. Yes hipsters suck, however, homeless people are WORSE and they basically ship all of the homeless people around the world to Portland. Also, people from Portland act as if they’re okay with living pay check to paycheck…which would makes sense considering they’re always probably late or do not even have a job considering how f**king slow and retarded they drive everywhere. Portland never used to be full of hipsters but they came along and moved all of the black people out to Gresham and basically took over the entire Portland Metro area. I will say one thing positive about Portland, though, as I agree with the poster that is isn’t my cup of tea either—however, the food is phenomenal for very cheap!

      • Lol, my first year in Portland the entire city shut down it’s water supply for 1-2 days because of contamination. Problems with PDX natives is that they actually think that’s normal.

      • Actually they switched water supplies two months ago after finding parasites. They switched back to contaminated sources last week because new source was to expensive and parasites were below level that would cause harm. So there r parasites in ur water.

  85. I just saw this idiot man from Oregon post something on Facebook that says “babies can smile at 11 weeks, but abortion is legal for all 9 months of pregnancy”…. Ummm excuse me?! No where in this country can you legally get an abortion after your first trimester (aka 3months). Everyone in the comments agrees with this stupid man, no one points out that this is 100% false and just more uniformed, uneducated hate that’s being spewed at people for wanting to have a right to choose what they do with their bodies. If you ask me men shouldn’t have a say when it comes to abortion they have no idea what it’s like to be pregnant, and if they get someone pregnant they get to be the ones with the option of just leaving if they don’t want the baby, they don’t even have to consider abortion, they don’t have to go through pregnancy, birth, things like postpartum depression. Pregnancy is not the same for everyone, it can be extremely hard and even dangerous to be pregnant for some women. I have a medical condition where I still have the ability to get pregnant, but being pregnant and giving birth would do damage to me and the baby. So if accidents happen (which they do quite often) and I got pregnant I should just have to be forced to keep the baby so we can both suffer and possibly die anyways? There are plenty of situations where abortion is a viable option and it should never be one that’s taken away from women. What if a woman is r-wordd and becomes pregnant, she should be forced to birth and raise her rapist child by herself? Nothing is black and white, and not all women that choose abortion are in the same situation. If your going to make an arguement about something, at least get your facts straight so you don’t sound like a f**king idiot..

  86. Hahaha, this thread is awesome. I moved to Portland just 3 years ago. While the PNW is beautiful, the people here make me think of Green Acres’ Hooterville. No brains or ambition, let’s just smoke pot all day and whine about needing “free” college and healthcare. They are the biggest victims that I have ever seen. Even a lot of business owners don’t return calls or show up to open their shops on time. And they blame Californians for increased housing costs, they have no clue that housing costs are going up in most major cities and they are not special. Heaven forbid if you voted for any one other than Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein, yet they continually vote in the most corrupt politicians I’ve seen. Millions of dollars missing here and there for government projects and continually vote to increase their own taxes. I thought I was a liberal until I moved to Portland, these panty waists have me ready to vote for GOP.

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  88. There is something truly wrong with this city Portland. The people are rude, ignorant and lack any ambition( unless growing a beard and drinking 24 seven is ambition). Look around the universities are all lower ranked, no corporations make this city there home save Nike, so there are no job anchors here only bums.
    Instead of hating on people who move here from Cali, they should be welcoming them for contributing to Oregons economy, I’m pretty safe in saying I bet ur average Californian who moves here pays more taxes than ur out of work still living at his moms 40 year old.
    I find it so funny how people from Portland claim there city has such great restaurants and that they are some of the best foodies in America. The only way someone could think like that if they have never been anywhere else. Most ethnic restaurants in Portland are opened up by white people who spent a few months in a foreign country and fell in love with the chicken. You have no decent Persian or Chinese places here.
    I went to a strip club here only 1 time and the stripper stunk of BO and had hairy pits.
    This place is heaven for unemployed dirty younger people who lack any ambition besides catching DRD.

    Oregon banned black people from living here until 1937.
    These are the few good things about Portland
    1) great coffee
    2) great weed and good price

    • Totally agree with many of your points. Portland is one of the most racist cities in America. No one who is a Portland native seems to think so, though. Everyone here is so conformed to their bubble, which is why the economy here sucks.

    • You are right about the coffee and the bud. I lived in Humboldt County and the bud in Oregon is some really dank stuff for sure…..Everything else does suck!

  89. Honestly nowhere is perfect. I have lived in Oregon and California each for many years. They are both good places! Portland is a community that accepts people no matter who they are. Californians are good people. Not all Oregonians are lazy, and they don’t all make minimum wage. The people on this site are just trying to be mad about something, and it just reflects everyone’s poor character.

    • You’re a decent person and I know you’re intentions. No it’s not everyone here and CA has a crap ton of problems too. It really comes down to the overall themes people are saying are true and yet you can’t talk about them to a native Oregonian. You can tell a Californian to go to hell and they pretty much know why you’re frustrated.

    • I am in immigrant who moved to the States a few years ago. I lived in New England and Chicago prior to moving to Portland. Both places were awesome. I had tons of friends and connections.

      I cannot begin to describe you the hypocrisy of the average portlandian. They all say they accept everyone, but in fact, it’s just lip service. They only accept you with words and BLM signs in their yard. I’d be surprised to know if they’ve ever saw or became friends with black folks.

      If you have a different culture, opinions, and you do not behave like a typical white hippie – you are not welcome.

      No wonder immigrants and people of color do not move here. They have no room in this city, a room to express their authenticity. You have to be so politically correct to fit in. If you’re expressing yourself differently than the typical white oregonian, they will shut you out.

      And I’m talking about the liberals here. Their fakeness is unbelievable. The way they cut out anyone who is different from them is contradicting their liberal values, that they’re so fakely passionate about.

      “We accept everyone”, so they claim. Bulls**t.

  90. I have been here for a year and a half and must say the people in Portland are real haters, I mean jealous individuals. I have seen this first hand, I drive a nice car and in other states where I used to live have been complimented on it but since moving here I have only received jealous comments. This town has no ambition or drive (unless u consider staying in status quo an achievement). The people here hate and fear progress, they want everything to stay the same. Lazy and un ambitious, when u look at any protest here it’s self obsessed white college students complaing about everything. I keep seeing signs around construction sites saying “stop demolishing Portland” what they mean to say is stop building towards progress we like things to stay old and out of date. We like old high energy consumption houses, so stop all building, we like s**tty highways that have not been updated since 1960″.
    Portland sucks balls I’m outa here real soon

    • I’ve noticed the same thing with people from Oregon, they are all losers and are envious of anyone who has success or is different from them. They put on a facade like they are the ones everyone should be jealous of, which is laughable considering they have absolutely nothing that anyone would be jealous of. They’re the most trashy, rude, childish people I have ever encountered. I had no opinion of people from Oregon, until I had the misfortune of meeting a few of them. At first I brushed it off thinking it was just that particular group of people but I have continued to notice that every single person I have interacted with from Oregon fits the same pathetic criteria. Self-centered, ignorant, uncouth, unintelligent, and unable to see any flaws within themselves. I could go on… That’s the really sad part, because they’re too blind to see what s**tty people they are, they will never change. I would say avoid Oregonains at all costs, they’re nothing but negativity, stupidity, and drama!

      • Wow, this is the most accurate description of Oregonians I’ve ever read. It’s scary how accurate this describes my experience working and socializing with people in this sh*thole state for the past 18 months. Like the poster above, I initially thought that my first interactions with the self-centered, lazy, envious and unambitious cretins of Oregon were just bad luck or confined to a few people. But after a year and a half, I finally reached the conclusion that this is the prevailing mindset and attitude of the majority of the population. I moved 3,000 miles from Oregon to South two weeks ago and it was the best decision I’ve made this decade. I seriously believe that the constant grey gloom and total lack of sunshine / Vitamin D is a major factor in the prevailing attitude of people who were born and raised here. It’s pretty shocking how many native Oregonians I met who have never left the state with the exception of a brief vacation to California or Washington. Like the poster above so eloquently put it – they’re too blind to see what s**tty people they are, and have no experience living in other parts of the country to understand what a craphole they live in. The constant gloom, grey clouds and zero sunshine are depressing, but that’s nothing compared to the interactions you will have with the citizens. Oregon has one of the worst school systems in the nation, and they keep on churning out ignorant imbeciles who want everything handed to them for free. Don’t even get me started in the victimization culture and far-left regressive politics. I used to be a liberal until I lived in Oregon, now I think they are all whiny babies who blame others for their problems instead of having some personal accountability. Have fun in the grey gloom idiots, you will never understand how bad you have it because you are too stupid and lazy to move.

        • Chief, I agree with you 100%. Honestly, I tried to brush off my first encounter with the good people of Oregon (which belive me was nasty) and assumed it was just that particular “clique” of people. Anyhow over time I had the displeasure of meeting more and more people that live in Oregon and it is absolutely astounding to me how similar they all are! I have tried to find a single person there that doesn’t fit the usual personality, the typical self-entitled, immature, white trash I’ve come to expect. I swear they don’t exist in Oregon. It’s like they are clones or something it’s really quite disturbing.

    • Portland claims tolerance and liberalism, yet I never experienced such petty, jelous, back stabbing in my life. To show initiative was a threat to the status quo. To be ‘individual’ was a cause for fear. It was a professional nightmare of constant ‘what did I do to deseare that?’ This fearful attitude is reflected in the mediocrity of the schools, food, music etc. I am a liberal through and through. What is exhibited in PDX is not liberalism but self indulgence. A self serving politics. I’m pretty certain that if the PDXers who yell the most and publicly cry out their views were asked to contribute to the community in a real way, such as volunteering time or donating services they would not do it. This is not all Portlanders, of course, I still know a few people there who put their money where their mouth is. I’m talking about the hipsters etc. one of the most telling aspects of Portland life is the constant claiming of being the ‘best.’ The best food, the best eco friendly, the best bikes, the best beer, all sighting an originality and excellence that doesn’t exist. Every ‘cultural good’ in Portland was taken from somewhere else. Even the slogan Keep Portland Wierd was stolen from Austin TX. But like someone else noted Polandiers who go on and on about how BEST it is have probably not been anywhere else. Is it true that PDX got in trouble recently for claiming itself the most bike friendly city in the world? If so, my point exactly.

  91. Hi Bob. I’m on my way out of your sodden little piece of hell.
    And no.. I’m 99 % sure it’s the natives that are the issue here. So
    I’m not from California – that would be even worse.
    Thank you -AND your people for 6 years of passive aggression, property damage, theft and stupidity.
    Go f**k yourself.
    🙂

  92. Hi Losers, Bob here,
    What amazes me the most is how so many of you
    cite past social and professional success in previous lives; high salaries, tons of awesome friends yet you come to Portland and you are disappointed that you are not heralded with a ticker-tape. It is YOU, a$$-whipes that drove the real-estate prices up and the commutes to California night mare levels. Why the f**k didn’t you just stay where your happy place was? Why come here with the big chip on your shoulder from whomever dumped you last? I am an Oregonian who left in ’97 and since then has lived all over the U.S.. No one MADE you come. We would all be happier if you left.
    P.S. Since you are denagrating my own happy place which I CAN NO LONGER AFFORD, I have every right to be on this site. YOU ARE THE THING THAT SUCKS ABOUT PORTLAND.

    • Bob is a typical Oregonian… It’s a whole state full of Tanya Harding a$$holes just like this!! Bob, you’re proving the point of this website perfectly, you pecker-head!

    • I didn’t expect a ticker-tape. I’ve been friendly and polite for a year. I have people tell me to my face how much they hate east coast people or Californians or San Franciscans. There is no reason given and zero acknowledgement this is a mean thing to say and very much a personal attack. I have never told a Portlander how mean they are. I didn’t buy a house and am not personally responsible for real estate prices going up. Quite frankly a $300k or $350k home for a two income family is NOT outrageous and the fact that there is still a market priced lower than that here (that’s the avg not the starting point) If you can’t afford that then you’re making less than you should be. Which means your native Oregonian parents and grand parents are greedily pricing homes out of your reach and attracting Californians to sell to while paying you crap to stay. Instead of allowing the influx of new people to generate community, business growth and tax revenue. Unfortunately Bob you are getting screwed by your own community that has developed a business plan no different than Florida. Attract retiree’s from other states and only offer service industry, recreation and tourism growth. The problem isn’t newcomer’s raising your rent. The problem is Portland refusing to see the benefits of population growth and making it an opportunity for both natives and transplants. I’m very sorry your home city isn’t able to give two s**ts about your future to make that happen. My best to you and wherever you land.

    • Bob you are just a shining example of the trash that comes out of Oregon. Complaining about not being able to afford Oregon? Obviously you’re just a loser with a low paying job because Oregon is a lot cheaper than most of the states in this country. I live in one of the most expensive areas in California, I’m only 24 and I can afford to live here. You Oregonians do the bare minimum with your lives, everyone I know from Oregon has a entry level, minimum wage job, they spit out kids like its no big deal even though they can’t afford to support them, they don’t do anything to further their education, most of them don’t even finish high school. How old are you and you can’t afford to live where you want to live? Then it’s probably just because you’re another unsuccessful Oregonian loser that is jealous of all the successful people that actually did something with their lives. And you’re seriously blaming Californians for making Oregon a s**t hole? I’ve lived in California my whole life the people here are NOTHING like the entitled trash that comes out of Oregon. I live in a nice town where you can leave your door unlocked and not have to worry about a bunch of tweakers breaking into my house/car like I would have to in Portland. There aren’t a bunch of homeless drug addicts walking the streets, people are intelligent and friendly. If anything you assholes are ruining California! I see how the people from Oregon act when they come here and it’s disgusting never have I seen such rude, self-entitled, ignorant losers. They come here and litter, steal, lie, they contribute nothing to society. The difference between Californians and Oregonians is astounding and I can say with absolute certainty that California is NOT the problem. I mean really the s**t these assholes pull is just flat out wrong. http://katu.com/news/local/pictures-of-trash-left-behind-by-university-of-oregon-students-at-lake-shasta-going-viral Here’s an article about University of Oregon students that came to Lake Shasta in California to party and trashed the whole god damn place. Causing the university to issue a public apology for their inconsiderate students. Oh but Oregonians aren’t the problem obviously. Oh look another article about the idiot Oregonian Trump rioters that didn’t even care enough to vote https://www.google.com/amp/www.kgw.com/amp/news/local/more-than-half-of-arrested-anti-trump-protesters-didnt-vote/351964445?client=safari but you all are such intelligent, level headed people right? No possible way that you idiots that complain about everything and yet do nothing to fix the problem. Just the typical Oregonian mantra “Oh woe is us, everyone else is responsible for every negative thing in our lives, there’s nothing we can do” it’s impossible that perhaps YOU are responsible for your own life and your own problems? Maybe it’s YOUR fault you didn’t work hard enough to be able to stay in your precious state. You’re getting down on people for being in Oregon and complaining that they miss their old home, well aren’t you doing the same god damn thing? You wish you could move back to Oregon but apparently you “can’t afford it” even after 10 years of being gone? Well you’re obviously not working that hard to get back to your home are you? I’m sure the people stuck in Oregon would like to leave as well but not everyone can pick up and move their lives at the drop of a hat… 10 years seems plenty of time though, but I’m sure it’s someone else fault that you couldn’t manage to make yourself any more successful in the past decade, right Bob? You just keep proving time and time again that you fit right into the category that everyone on this page is describing and you’re too stupid to even realize you’re doing it! Good for you Bob you’re really putting out a great name for your fellow Oregonian losers, lol.

    • Hey Bob. Californians did not raise the prices of propery. Portland homeowners did, wanting to make as much money as possible. Seller sets the price. Buyer attempts to get lowest price possible. No one wants to over pay. Would you? If you really want to blame someone for property values, you have to look to your happy place natives.

  93. I wish you the best – but there is no help here. There’s nothing but ignorance and emptiness. PDX is a sinkhole of human waste.
    I know you are trying to “plan” your way out but that’s not going to work. You just need to do it.

    • At this point I’d need a sure job with relocation assistance unfortunately. I had a lot of unfounded reassurance that Nike would come through. (Though others who’ve been here awhile tell me everyone they know who works there seems deeply depressed.)

      The other complication is that I actually like my boyfriend here & I hadn’t had a relationship in decades in NYC…

      But if I got a job in Seattle or SF I could do long distance. The thing is, even companies that employ friends and former coworkers aren’t interested b/c of my age. I’d worked at one company 11 years & the same exact industry for like 14 back east so I had NO IDEA I’d aged out so irrevocably

    • Thank you. I know you’re being sincere. And I agree at this point. I’ve moved up for an interview in SF. I honestly think I’ll never get a decent job here.

  94. I’m done. I’m 6 days away from leaving this hell hole.
    The parting gift?
    My car was broken into and my purse and wallet stolen from my own car parked behind my house.

    • That’s unfortunate for you. Living in Fresno, CA for less than 10 years, every single year either your car or someone else’s car you personally know gets stolen. In Oregon, I’ve never heard of anyone I personally know who’s gotten their car stolen or broken into. If you don’t like getting car jacked, don’t move to Fresno, CA. Got it?

  95. https://www.google.com/amp/www.kgw.com/amp/news/local/more-than-half-of-arrested-anti-trump-protesters-didnt-vote/351964445?client=safari

    Has anyone else seen the news about the Portland Trump protester that didn’t even vote? That’s Oregon for you- I’ll complain about a problem non-stop, but I’ll do absolutely nothing to solve it. I swear they see whining and drama and they absolutely have to involve themselves. If you didn’t vote then what in the hell are you protesting for? You didn’t care enough to vote but you’re suddenly so passionate about the subject you need to go out and riot? These losers will take any excuse they can to make themselves an even bigger burden to society.

    • I’m equally confused by the protesters who did vote. I might even be MORE confused by them. They participated in the democratic process, the candidate they voted for lost, and now they’re protesting what? The fact that they lost? That’s like agreeing to the terms/rules of a poker game, losing, and then whining about the character of the winner and the fact that he/she won. And the only response to “what, exactly, are you protesting?” that these Portland crybabies can give is, “It’s our right to protest!” Yes, it is…but that isn’t the question. The question is WHAT/WHY are you protesting. But this they cannot answer so instead they just break your car windshield. Yay Portland. I didn’t vote for Trump, and I don’t like him at all…but he won the election, and temper tantrums aren’t going to change that.

      • It’s really not about whether or not Trump is fit for office, personally I don’t vote because I’d rather not participate than have to choose the lesser of two evils. It’s more about the fact that these people complain about everything, even when they have done nothing to improve the situation. If they didn’t care enough to vote for one candidate or the other, do they really have the right to get so worked up about the outcome that they start a riot? To me the whole thing is absolutely ludacris. This is just what I expect from Oregonains, they love to start drama and make a fuss about things, but when it comes time to put in work to actually make a constructive difference and not just whine about the issue they are no where to be seen.

  96. I’m a transplant from deep Texas to Portland. I have seen first hand that these Portland people have no clue how dangerous it really is to live in a stare like Texas where the major cause of crimes and mixers are cause d by illegals from Mexico and el Salvador.etc. they cause more vehicle related mixers than in any state. They refuse to speak or learn englis. More r-words and muggings are because they have no experience of America laws. Its a nightmare in these state. Also Colorado and many more. Law enforcement ha e no ideal whom these people Re. And Portland. People are being unbelievable cry baby’s over a serious situation in other states. Its shameful that they have no clue of how stupid and uniformed they are. Wow is all we can say to these morons. Its shocking there stupidity. Come to Texas. You idiots and learn something real. You bleeding hearts. Or shut up about things you know nothing about.liberals blind as bats. Out there.unbelievable…..

    • Hello, why do you think this is a site for bashing immigrants? Guess what. It’s not. Take your racism somewhere else, far, far away.

    • You apparently failed your 5th grade English class. Stay away from Oregon, loser. Learn to read and write English properly before you complain about others who “refuse to speak or learn englis” as you put it. A$$hat.

  97. I agree, liking Portland because booze and women IS disgusting! Ever heard of herpes? HIV? Seriously that is pathetic if that is the best you cab say about why you like Port Land.. yuk..

  98. I know this one couple from Oregon, their family is made up of some of the trashiest people you can imagine. I bunch of backwards, alcoholic, uneducated hicks. The grandmother moved from Oregon to LA, parked her camper on the side of some random street and has been living in it with a bunch of other homeless people. Then she goes on social media and complains that people are trying to kick her out of her “home” and saying that they are discriminating against her because she’s a bum. Sorry but the street is not your “home” you don’t pay rent to live there you illegally parked there and just called it yours. Just like Oregonians to think they’re entitled to anything and everything and they should just be able to do whatever they want with no consequences. This woman is more than able to get a job but instead mooches off of others and claims the sidewalk as her permanent camping spot. Then goes into a rage when people tell her that’s not okay. It’s always “oh poor me I didn’t do anything wrong, how dare anyone tell me to leave, people here are so mean”. How about you take responsibility for yourself, get a job and pay for a place to park your camper legally? No one owes you anything, you don’t get special privileges, that’s illegal for everyone and no one is “discriminating against you”. I’m so sick Oregon losers coming to California and ruining my state. Why move here if all you’re going to do is complain about how rude people are and how everyone is picking on you for being homeless? Go back to Oregon then, because the people here aren’t just going to let you do whatever you want and ignore your bad behavior like they do over there.

    • This is exactly the mentality of those who live, or are from Oregon. They have zero self-awareness or perspective. I’m amazed at how stupid people are here, it’s frightening.

      • Yes I also find it extremely disturbing. The first few people I met that were from Oregon I assumed it was just them, but I swear every single Oregonian that I have come into contact with since then is absolutely repulsive. What bothers me even more than the way the act is that they think it’s totally acceptable! In fact they think they’re such incredible people, why I will never know… They’re all so immature and ignorant, every single one! I have yet to find one person from Oregon that doesn’t meet the typical criteria that I expect. It must be something in the water because stupidity is a state-wide problem in Oregon!

        • Lol, oh how apt and oh how much I agree with you! I was born, raised and have lived in Oregon my entire life. It used to be AMAZING! Honestly, it has only changed significantly in the last 15 years or so. Those of us who have lived here all our lives typically blame it on transplants in general and Californians specifically…we may be wrong but I don’t think so…all the hipsters and methheads – uuuuggghhhh…i work for the state and I can say with total honesty we are the 4th highest welfare state for a reason…people here simply EXPECT to be given a free ride, we have immigrant protests, flag burning, total disrespect for law enforcement, blatent racism towards whites and our local state government enforces it…if not for the fact we can’t leave our jobs 20 years before retirement and start over I would leave the only home I’ve ever known in a hot second…people come here because it’s easy and NOTHING is expected of you, the state falls all over itself to help those who have no desire to help themselves…it’s disgusting…plus, the riots and the WORST, the ROADS!!!! These transplants CANNOT drive! Especially in the rain…GO AWAY!

          • Brilliantly put. While it’s true that many locals are provincial, it’s the entitled, presumptuous, ignorant newcomers who are actually the source of the issues in this town. Most of the tweakers you see out there wreaking havoc are from out of state.

      • I concur with EVERYTHING! I couldn’t wait to move back to the Bay Area (Yup-California) where the people are friendly (they actually say hello if you are hiking on a trail), diverse (NOT ALL WHITE), progressive (NOT ALL CHRISTIAN) and most have their teeth.
        When I lived in Portland, some lovely person keyed my car because I didn’t give him cash when he was panhandling outside the Fred Meyers store. I actually did give him money after I did my shopping (he had a dog that looked like he needed food) and only noticed that he had keyed the car later.
        I couldn’t believe my M.D. had such bad BO (she rode her bike to her office)-that I thought I was going to puke. Same with the optometrist-bad scent and rode her bike. I’m so happy to be back where people believe in hygiene and actually do shower on occasion. Oh and don’t get me started on the weather. If you weren’t depressed when you moved there, I can guarantee that you will be acutely depressed after living there for a few months. I’m so grateful to be out of that revolting place. All the ‘Proud Oregonians’ deserve each other. When you show up as a tourist in my gorgeous world class city (Yep, SF), I will try to greet you with an open mind. Please don’t stay long. (How does it FEEL?)

          • Dead, dead, dead. In NYC I earned the most $ in my dept, and was freelance, thru the worst of the bankster depression of 08/09. Here? All is a sudden I’m a pariah.

          • Can we help each other? I’m a bit scared of comments like PDX is great for strip clubs. I don’t want to be taken advantage of since I’m in a bad situation but I’m screwed here. I came from SF, would love to return. Have tried for the last few months. Feel like I will if I keep trying since rents seem to be going down. But any help here or remote work to make the transition is appreciated. Otherwise just know it’s not just you. I ask myself daily if I’m going to end up working in a grocery store and I have 15 years highly professional experience. Pathetic the exploitation of newcomers. And yes I made mistakes in researching the job market but PDX has sold a mirage to grab young workers to support its aging population. Lies.

          • I had high up connections at Nike, but see my main had gotten in when they want people (mid 20s) and was clueless about how it’d be for me. I’m shacked up with my boyfriend now but otherwise I’d be homeless. And ya I even applied for and got a temp job at New Seasons but guess what, the “friendliest place in town” totally lied about 3 days a week and instead scheduled me for 5 consecutive 8-hour days, including two shifts with less than 12 hours off in between, which they say in their corporate induction they do not do. My first 8-hour shift was my last. I cried before it. I cried discreetly during my half hour break & I REALLY cried after… I designed lucratively all through the recession in NYC…

          • Yep Boodiba, that’s what I was thinking. Sort of at a loss as I’ve given up on Portland meetups, groups, etc I’m antisocial to Portlanders now and never used to be. Maybe some “group therapy” will help see it in a different light or help strategize leaving, be a sounding board to each other to make good choices in making the best of it or moving on? Any if interested maybe we should start a group somewhere?

        • Also the Christian thing…My God, EVERYTHING said Portland was the least religious city in the country! WTF?! It’s the MOST religious place I’ve EVER lived! no I didn’t see it visiting and that’s my fault but come on, they advertise it!

        • I made the move here from the East coast and thought the charm of PDX would eventually overshadow the general blight, homeless camps, inflated prices and aspirations of mediocrity and do-nothingness that came to take center stage with each visit leading up to my move.

          Now living here, I can unequivocally declare that it has been an experience quite the contrary. A native New Englander, I am no stranger to prolonged periods of inclement weather, keep-to-yourself mentality (well-known for curmudgeonry and general stubbornness) and the aversion to “outsiders,” but none of that is what has me already turning around to the East Coast.

          There are no jobs here, unless working in the service industry or some entry-level “career” position (which pays a third of the salary of any other city) is what you’re after. Ironic, indeed–particularly in light of an immensely over-inflated real estate/rental market and an economy that somehow, in light of this, supports $7 cups of coffee.

          Others have mentioned that adding Portland to your resume is the kiss of death and indeed, it is. Without question if you are mid-career and operating towards the top of your salary range. You will never recover from this decision. Unless you’re nearing retirement, have an abundance of disposable income and don’t need to work, are the beneficiary of a Trust fund, or are altogether just giving up, stay away.

          The value of goods and services for your money here is flabbergasting. Everything is easily 20%-25% more expensive than the East Coast with perhaps 60% of the quality. Gas, food, car repairs, restaurants, hotels, you name it. Be prepared to overpay and expect disappointment. If the notion of someone parking a 20 year old Airstream trailer on an empty lot and using it as a kitchen is appealing, if setting up some discarded restaurant booths and picnic tables under a tarp as your seating is your idea of “gournet” or “cute,” or something that commands a premium, than you are in the right place. Want to get a cup of coffee from the rear of a double-decker bus? Portland has that for you. $6, plus tip, of course. And like everywhere else, bus your own table, please.

          It’s not about living slowly, or with a higher quality of life here, nor is it the last vestige of the hippy culture–both of those imply direction, ideals and an eventual life goal. Here, it’s about embracing the culture of self-imposed oppression and aspiring to look/be disadvantaged or disenfranchised.

          Driving some s**tbox, smoke belching van from 20 years ago is apparently something to aspire to here, as is spending (significant) money to look nondescript and unfortunate. Having some restrictive dietary “sensitivity,” need, issue, challenge, handicap or other implied subjugation is critical to sustaining this nonconfirmist utopia of conformity. I now have a new perspective on Cascadia and I hope it is successful, now for other reasons.

          • Another fellow east coaster here! Mistakenly thought this place would ‘slow my pace of life’ or I could just did

        • I’m not sure what you’re smoking. I’m not white, and people in Portland say hi to me all the time. Now, going to central or southern Oregon, that’s a different story as it’s full of rednecks LOL. You sure you aren’t smoking that weed shiznit?

          Although I have to agree the panhandling is getting out of hand. It’s not homeless people because real homeless people have a sense of dignity not to ask for money. It’s losers who refuse to work who ask for money. In fact, there was a news story confirming this where a gentlemen asked two young kids if they wanted a job. They said no, that they made more money panhandling. So what does he do? He goes and stands next to them with sign telling people not to give them money haha.

          As for the real homeless (and some losers), it’s due to states like Colorado shipping them in mass buses to Portland in a free 1-way ticket claiming to the homeless there that Portland offers better homeless services. Southpark was right when they showed Cartman and his friends leading the homeless to other states.

          Now, SF is a place I’d never f**king move to, ever. You have to be a total moron to move there. If you enjoy there, why not just move to NYC? East coasters will give you a run for their money. I talk to them daily over the phone. You have to be aggressive with them or they won’t respect you.

          • It’s plainly obvious to anyone who has traveled extensively, Portland is nothing special, it’s a provincial village/ town who’s reputation vastly outwieghs its realities. There is no culture in this city, no diversity, there idea of international cuisine is a mix between Taco Bell and some white hipster joint that just opened because the owner got the idea while watching animal planet. I left after two years and knew staying there killed my passion and drive, people in Portland settle for so little there is no competition (unless ur drinking). No industry, everyone is married with kids by 21

  99. I visit Portland once a month with no desire to live there. Portland’s where Seattle was in the 90’s as far as prevalent cultural attitude.

    Conformity: to the point where differences are measured by “what kind of hipster are you?”

    Sublimated aggression and intolerance: it seems like most conversations are an anodyne remark away from altercation. Surly, entitled service sector workers abound. Aggressive cyclists’ and panhandlers’ behavior demonstrate where this aggression comes to a head in an abstract way.

    Nativism: tracing one’s lineage a few generations back in Portland justifies walking around with a “why don’t you people leave?” chip on one’s shoulder. This extends to Portlandians treating even other Oregonians as outlanders (I once heard “go back to Lake Oswego” apparently because I somehow looked like a Lake Oswegan that day — in public, Portlanders are very PC/careful about not having this xenophobia cross racial/ethnic lines but, in private conversations many prejudices come out.

    College sophomore level political views: while this is better than the high school drop out level political views evinced in some parts of the country, it’s still annoying. Everything is couched in antipodes (as in, you can’t be a hetero white male and call yourself a feminist). People apply very specific, complex labels to themselves and walk around looking to be offended by anyone who doesn’t share their specific world view.

    Celebrates mediocrity (as long as it’s local): obscure local artists and performers are touted as world-famous paragons of their craft, regardless of how uninspired.

    Solipsism: people seem to exist in a 5 foot radius bubble surrounding themselves. If they haven’t experienced something for themselves, it must be untrue or doesn’t exist.

    Here’s what I love about Portland, though:

    Libertarian sexual mores: not only are there tons of strip clubs but Portland many Portland women don’t let their hyperactive political views get in the way of tons of sex. Don’t bother approaching women in bars, though, go online. I’m assuming the casual online hookup culture extends to all genders and sexual orientation. Amazes me how many self professed “sapiosexual gender queer feminist” women seek hetero relations on the Internet (just keep it discreet).

    Drinking culture: this is good or bad depending on your viewpoint, but Portland bartenders tend to know their stuff. Great craft brewery culture, not much of a wine town but there’s that niche represented.

    Cheap! It’s quaint to hear Portlanders complain about cost of living.

    Time capsule: want to visit Seattle of the 90’s? Go to Portland. Want to visit Portland ten years into the future? Check out Seattle (where non-natives and corporate culture have turned the city into what Seattleites 15-20 years ago and Portlanders of today rail against).

      • Why is that disgusting? The 1950’s are long over. I agree that booze and women who are dtf is what makes Portland bearable.

    • well, having been born here and lived here all my life i can say once it WAS paradise…when people complain about the cost of living they’re really complaining about housing…Californians have run the real estate market crazy thru the roof! Rents and mortgages are INSANE…for instance, my grandmother sold my childhood home in the early 90’s for about 200K…i just looked it up on Zillow for kicks and giggles and its worth over a million bucks! Painful, yes! But it’s completely due to the extreme liberal elite and hipsters ruining our state and just so we’re clear, it’s NOT homebread Oregonians doing this, we’re being overrun by transplants…I myself, who spent a fantastic childhood and wonderful adulthood here, want now to move SO badly…

    • It’s all so, inconsistent! You’ll have some degree of difficulty timing your trips and living up to commitments.

      A big part of the problem is, with as sporadic as employment IS here in Portland, workers may work Mon/Wed/Fri at… the Beaverton branch/clinic/store etc. And every other week it’s Tues & Thur in Vancouver..!? Or whatever.

      There’s just no core industry here, no anchor employers ( since timber collapsed ) so we’re all taking the work we can FIND. Pretty soon you won’t know ANYONE “that drove the same commute for 36 years..!”

      And since most transplants came here more for LEISURE than ‘work’, frequent job-hoppers have no sense of commitment or permanent habits. They kinda’ like to mix it up.

      • Oh, and while we’re AT it.., perfectly disastrous Octoberfest AGAIN this year.

        It was as bad or WORSE weather than the Debacle of ’04 where it came down sideways in 40-ish degrees. Did my level best to keep the old chin up but there was no sugar coating this crapper.

        Even dressing for it ( including an umbrella ) just totally SOAKED. We look forward to it every year and only a mere 10-14 days ago it was forecast to be 84 & Sunny! Then, wtf, deteriorated [markedly] by.The.DAY.

        The more we [didn’t] discuss the OBVIOUS, the more depressing it got. Took a $100 bucks, fully intending to make an EVENING of it and… came home a scant two hours later w/ $70 and change. Maybe we should make it Augtober-fest? Just sayin’.

        Two years people. Two years.

    • Yes, drivers are terrible. They think they can “get ahead” somehow, rather than go with the flow and speed of traffic. Again, people are very stupid here.

  100. Oregon does suck. Weather is probably the worst I’ve seen, people are as dumb as mud, and there doesn’t seem to be any ambition. Oregon are slobs. And yet my other half keeps pulling us back tho that sucky state. He thinks its cheaper to live in Oregon even though i have shown him time and time again how pricey rents are in comparison to wages. The only good thing about Oregon; leaving it behind!

  101. This article describes Oregonians perfectly. Stubborn close-minded people who can’t accept and beliefs or opinions different from their own. Only what they say or believe is right and if you disagree they will become angry and defensive and try to insult or hurt you. They are incapable of progressing or learning anything because they don’t listen to anyone but themselves. Maybe this article will help those of you stuck in Oregon deal with these bitter, stupid people!

    http://www.earthables.com/close-minded-people-1946392716.html?c=EP

    • This is a good article but in my experience some of it doesn’t apply to Oregon, at least I don’t think so, because the ones here ” incapable of progressing or learning anything” have developed a kind of negative talent that lets them remain in their bubbles. Being firm but polite Never works. It’s just a prelude to action. I have to eventually yell and threaten things like calling the police or legal action to get anything at all done at most places. But the article is just right because folks here do indeed “become angry and defensive and try to insult or hurt you” but the only way I’ve found to break through that wall is to one-up them on the insult & threat to action. Hardly anyone ever does that to them, so the shock value just makes obstacles vanish & one can get things done. (At least as a one-off. After such an encounter they run or avoid you completely, or in the case of the OHSU Medical Mafia, discharge you from their hill.)

      It is so incredibly sad to have to revert to such behavior but otherwise one’s pharmacy prescriptions would not be filled, the doctors would not fill refills, the neighbors won’t stop trashing the common areas, and all the other things Oregonians take as The Perfect Way of Life would not be broken through long enough for normal people to get something accomplished.

      Only days till we move. Thank [insert all gods, God, demigods, Joe Pesci, etc here]!!

      • I definately understand where you’re coming from and you’re right sometimes these techniques just do not work with these people. Seriously some of the most stubborn, irritating people I have ever met. You can argue with them until you are blue in the face and it won’t due any good, the only things you can really do are ignore them or when that’s not an option like you said you have to threaten them or insult them, basically fight on their level. It’s crazy the way they act and expect not to be called out on their incompetence and bad behavior. And when you do they freak out! Like no one has ever said one negative thing to them in their lives, it’s ridiculous. They can’t handle any criticism whatsoever. I’m glad you’re getting out, I would lose my mind living in that state! Good luck with your move anywhere is better than Oregon, lol.

        • Firstly, you have to break through their Cuteness (TM) Any time you’re pointing out, The Obvious, cuteness is their first line of defense. They’ll ( and I’m addressing primarily Hipsters here ) pretend they have no idea what you’re talking about? They’re clearly on some “higher plane”.

          So get used to repeating yourself. As other bloggers have noticed, Hipsters avoid eye contact like the plague. INSIST on it. You’ll have to explain you are in fact a real person! Not the stereotype they’ve casually assigned you.

          Trust me, regardless your considerable accomplishments in life to date, there’s nothing about you that can’t be immediately dismissed. Being dismissive, disrespectful is their stock in trade. This includes their employers.

          Getting ‘service’ from these dipw@ds is like pulling TEETH. They take care of “their own” FIRST. Rationalizing their friends ( w/ zero money ) they perpetually hang out with “keep the business open”. When in fact they’re running it into insolvency. Dissing Boomers is Priority 1 and they further rationalize, they can always find another ‘job’ once they’ve driven their current employer bankrupt. But delusional people keep hiring them banking on their “bringing in their tech savvy, affluent friends”. Ha! There’s a laugh…

      • I am glad you mentioned OHSU. Its a truly state-sponsored criminal enterprise. Most of its patients are way too dumb and uneducated to realize what’s going on, and those few who do realize, rarely can do anything about it because of the cozy relationship OHSU enjoys with the state government and legislature. You find yourself helpless against the incompetence and negligence of the OHSU “doctors”.

        • Agreed. OHSU isn’t even an official medical supply partner so if you have a baby and need a breast pump, you can’t buy it from them. Your insurance won’t cover it. We had to go to St. Vincent’s to get ours. Also, when we had our baby there, we didn’t know you just get some on call doctor doing the delivery, which is completely counter to any other hospital. The stupid on call doctor wanted to just have a c-section. I had an argument with her about the lack of a medical necessity for a c-section, which shut her up once she realized I wasn’t an idiot sheep. She tried to intimidate us, but we went in with a written letter, signed/dated by us explaining exactly what we wanted. Straight up folks, be smart about it.

    • Do you know what’s the difference between Portland and a Siberian village? I have seen both, and I am not joking. The people in a Siberian village are actually AWARE of their awkwardness, while people of Portland believe they are the best species ever born on earth. All the rest is about the same.

      • Yes, why do they all think they’re so awesome?! It’s absolutely shocking that these people are so embarrassingly immature and stupid and they think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. And when you try to point it out to them they freak the f**k out they just assume everyone loves they and thinks they are so wonderful and when you tell them otherwise they immediately become irate and jump down your throat for voicing your opinion about them. God forbid anyone say anything negative about these people they just can’t handle it. It’s inconceivable to them that anyone can possibly not like them and if you openly dislike someone for Oregon they will just tell everyone your a freak, psycho, loser etc. just because you don’t passively sit by and let them act like assholes like everyone around them does. They surround themselves with other like-minded idiots that convince them that everything they say and do is normal and acceptable. They have their heads shoved so far up their asses that they can’t see how ridiculous they look to normal people.

        • I was born, raised and have spent my entire life here…it’s changed drastically here over the last 15 years or so…i never thought in this day and age i would be living under censorship but I am…sometimes I can’t even say wat I truly think to my most loved family and dearest friends…it’s sad…if I could leave, I WOULD

  102. I asked a local what was good about Portland. With no irony at all they said, “Portland has lots of highways running through it so no matter what part of town you live in, it’s easy to get out into the county.”

    “So,” I replied, “the good thing about Portland is how easy it is to leave?”

    They had to think about it for a second. They could tell it was kind of a trick question. But thinking is hard for these people so they gave up and finally just agreed.

    Six years here. Packing as we speak. Never been anywhere stupider, more backward or less inviting. Can’t wait to get back to Colorado, New York or most anywhere in Europe to join civilization again. Goodbye you closemouthed backward hicks.

    • Eleven more days!!! Right after the moving truck leaves I’ll be on my way back to glorious Western North Carolina with PDX in my rear view mirror!!!

      • Congratulations to you both for your upcoming escapes! Very happy for all of you. As for us, we’re out of here next month, too. Counting the days, happily counting the days.

    • Excellent.

      And notice how ( in spite of the fact locals and transplants alike cling to their claim “the rain here really doesn’t bother me that much” ) those highways become completely JAMMED the minute there’s a promising weekend coming up!?

      Nope. Apparently NO ONE had been monitoring the weather for the first GLIMPSE of sunshine in MONTHS and NO ONE had been making their escape plans! It’s just an incredible coincidence we find them ( w/ surfboards strapped to the hood of their car ) on the same “Partly sunny” Friday… And all many of us stuck in traffic w/ them was trying to do is get home..?

      In terms of backward hicks, I recently heard someone describe the Hipster crowd as “urban hicks” and really think the shoe fits!

  103. Sick_in PDX, it’s been well known that OHSU has a cap on what they will pay out when they screw up.
    What’s even worse is that it’s a significantly lower cap at Doernf**kers than at OHSU. They can permanently alter the life of a child due to their incompetence but won’t pay to fix it. And their “hush” money to parents is down right laughable.

    • I should have made my post clearer. Yes, indeed, it is well known that OHSU hid behind claims of sovereign immunity for many years until about a decade ago when lawyers finally broke that wall to hold them accountable for their horrible incompetence. The cap is still way to low and should not be a cap at all given their record. As far as I know they’re the only state-chartered teaching medical school to hide behind such a claim, as if they were the DMV or the DEQ.

      The problem with Oregon in this case is that very few lawyers will go up against OHSU for any reason as their power and corruption extends far into the legislature and legal system. For those that don’t know, now disgraced former governor Kitzhaber is an OHSU alum. OHSU enjoys a cozy, nepotistic and corrupt relationship with the agencies charged with its regulation. All this is a good example of the culture of unaccountability that exists in Oregon healthcare. If you’re part of the OHSU Mafia family omertà applies. All the time.

    • Boregonian—I truly do enjoy your posts. You are fearless!

      Re “The Really Big One,” believe it or not, FEMA noticed. They ran a drill back in early June.

      https://www.fema.gov/cascadia-rising-2016

      Sounded to me like Washington state was more interested than Oregon. (Not a surprise.) Since no one bragged how well it went, I assume it didn’t.

      I regularly follow http://www.greatretirementspots.com/, which has some useful information on many cities and states. I wrote the editor shortly after I moved out of Oregon, saying that the website might want to put a note mentioning the Cascadia issue into their recommendations of Washington and Oregon coastal towns. (They habitually mention for California which locales have greater earthquake risks.) Well, so far, they are keeping mum.

      I think a lot of people really want to keep their heads in the sand. Sadly.

      • I think Boregonian may also be highlighting that she won a Pulitzer for the article, a very big deal, yet did anyone in Oregon notice? Not likely because they aren’t intellectual and worldly.

    • The local reaction, or non or no-reaction, to this story was explained to me by an acquaintance who is a commercial building inspector. I asked him about actual seismic building standards in Oregon. He replied that the answer was very easy: there are none. What is on paper & what is supposed to be enforced is usually overlooked or ignored. So even new buildings that say they have seismic reinforcement & are “up to the latest codes” are in fact not. He also said he’d never seen a culture of indifference like he encounters in Portland. (He lives and works in another state but comes here for conferences or consulting jobs.) His advice for surviving a major quake in Oregon is to be someplace else other than Oregon when it happens. I shall heed his advice.

  104. Is Oregon an option for a 60 year old youthful
    female divorce who’s stuck in central CA?
    Originally from Phila and miss culture, higher
    education, conversation, nature , clean air and space. Anyone have any advice or recommendations?

    • You ARE divorced, so this is one prerequisite to fitting in here.

      Ask yourself the following questions:

      Is your personal life a train wreck? Do you have or want any neck tattoos? Is your brain damaged due to past or current hard drug over use? Are you an alcoholic? Are you on multiple psychoactive medications to get you through your days? Are you unmotivated? Are you socially inept? Are you an enabler? Do you think face to face communication is threatening? Are you having trouble with that pesky law where you’re currently living? When things go wrong (again) is it ALWAYS someone else’s fault? When you say “culture, higher education, [and] conversation” do you mean lying around smoking crystal meth? Does having destitute, homeless people around you everywhere make you feel good about yourself? When you say “youthful” do you mean emotionally stuck at age 15? Do you like sitting in traffic?

      If you answer yes to these questions you may just be a perfect Portlander. EVERYONE I know who fits in and loves it here answers yes to most of these questions. I’m NOT kidding. I think all people who answer yes to the questions I’ve posed SHOULD move here. And people who answer no to those questions should go elsewhere. Just like one of my colleagues on here said: Portland is where you go to give up. You should click on and read some of the links that I have posted in these comments over the years. You should take these things seriously because they’re real.

      • I cannot believe how spot on you are. I have lived here for over ten years and never met a mate here For me, it’s lonely and depressing..I am an attractive, upbeat (used to be) single female. Everything you said is accurate. I have travelled a lot and seen many cities, but none as bad as this one with the gay, homeless, pot/drug culture.

        • I’ve been here for six years. I have no social life. I left a wonderful social life in New York and another great group of people in Denver. Up here I got nowhere. Finally I’ve thrown in the towel and I’m going back to Colorado. People here, the locals and the ones who make this their home, simply do not want to expand their social circle. As one person who took pity on me explained, “We already have enough friends.”

        • That’s unfortunate for you. I met my wife here (of 10 years) at a church camp. Apparently the both of us lived in the same city in California before that. Just be careful not to judge an area based on your own lack of social abilities. If you’re that attractive and upbeat, and you’re having trouble finding a mate, is the problem always the other people, or you? Perhaps you are a Portlander after all LOL! I do have to agree that the pot and drug culture is ridiculous.

      • +100

        Ahem, w/ the exception of: “Are you an alcoholic?” Drinkers, hardcore partiers and seasoned bar hoppers can and SHOULD take offense to that!

        Is it just me or do others notice the near inexhaustible supply of brown bagging hipsters, mumbling to themselves, ambling down sidewalks ( typically in immediate vicinity of incredibly UN-hip nationally franchised convenience marts ) anemically clutching to a six pack, single 40 ouncer or even SIGNLE beer!? Wtf?

        Hipster dude, if you’re an ‘alcoholic’ you’re (1) sorry an EXCUSE for one!? Seriously, what kind of a ‘buzz’ are you going to put together w/ 12-40 ounces of BEER? People, recently, just prior to The Who concert we were slamming shots of Fireball on I-5 n-bound ( yes we had a DD ) chugging tallboys at our parking spot THEN meeting friends in underground parking where an entire WET BAR was sprawled across the back of their Suburban! And of course elbowing other concert goers aside for (1) last [massive] draught before the show begins..! ( Warm up bands usually s*ck and this one was no exception )

        Call it what you WANT but at least my friends and I put forth our level best to wind up in detox. What are these “budget-minded drunks” trying to accomplish? Staying just sedated enough to a) not have the clarity of mind to up and LEAVE this place or b) stave off your suicidal leanings for just another day/hours..?

    • Wendy, please, please believe everything Boregonian says! I was very much like you but getting divorced and living in Boston. I simply wanted a change and valued everything you mentioned because it was what I was used to in Boston and was told I would find in Portland.

      You will find NONE of the things you love in Oregon. Well, maybe space. Certainly not clean air. There is a haze that sits over Portland. I thought maybe it was some kind of western weather phenomenon. More likely it was benzene and other pollutants, from which I am slowly recovering. The Willamette is filthy and runs with raw sewage after rainstorms. The rest of the time it is dark brown and full of silt. As for the Columbia, read this:

      https://www.epa.gov/columbiariver/columbia-river-strategy-measuring-documenting-and-reducing-chemicals-emerging-concern

      Nature is lovely out in the boonies and along the coast, but in the cities the natives leave trash and junk everywhere. I got to the point I thought twice about leaving home to run errands because I didn’t want to look at rusted lawn furniture, bed springs, and old refrigerators sitting out in people’s yards. There is certainly no culture, higher education, or conversation in the boonies, so you will be stuck with one of the cities. If you pick the largest city—Portland—be ready to deal with the trash, the poor infrastructure, the absolutely hopeless recycling, and the ignorant, amazingly self-satisfied people. They will not welcome you, especially if you value common courtesy and good manners. If you want to fit in, you will need tattoos, pink/blue/green hair, and old clothes. The most intelligent person I met while there was my garage mechanic, Tom Dwyer. If you make the mistake of moving to Portland, you will need someone intelligent. I recommend his newsletter.

      After living in Oregon for 6 months, I was struggling to find positive things to like. After a year, I gave up and spent the following 11 months on the internet looking for someplace to live that didn’t make me want to die early. I’ve ended up in San Diego and couldn’t be happier—friendly, intelligent people, plenty of culture, beautiful country (try North County), great weather (I was done with snow), and people genuinely care about the environment. Oregon is definitely not an option for someone like us. Neither is Seattle from everything I read. (Google the Seattle Freeze.)

      If you haven’t considered San Diego, do. Otherwise, try Boston, or go back to Philadelphia. This website is here to stop people like you and me from making the mistake of believing what home-grown Oregonians say about their state. Sadly, I found it too late.

      Best of luck in finding a better fit!

      • I have lived here my entire life…it WAS utopia until recently…the people who want to live here now expect the government to support them. Period. They have zero accountability and expect others to support them while shaming everyone they come in contact with to accept illegal immigration and financial support of all of them, to excuse ALL minority crime and indict police officers and support any and all far left decisions…i hate it here now

    • Wendy, don’t come to Portland. It really is the worst. People here aren’t friendly, open, nor smart. It’s a death trap.

      • Wendy, I hope you heed the advice here. Don’t come to Portland. What AnneFromBoston says and others is quite true. And I’d add that your health would be seriously compromised by the so-called doctors here. Healthcare here is so bassackwards that if you arrive in good shape but have to see a doctor for any ongoing conditions you’ll likely be in much worse shape within six months. This is not a place you want to get sick because the system here is perfectly content to let you die in considerable pain and suffering. Your local community hospital in central California is a much better option than the gulags here like OHSU, home to the medical mafia that runs everything else here into the ground. Please, don’t come here. You will most likely regret it very much.

    • Oregon has no culture to speak of, higher education is a joke, given the 70% statewide high school graduation rate. Higher education appears to be PCC around here.
      Conversation, nature, clean air and education?
      You just described NH or VT or portions of Maine.

      • Are you smoking Oregon crack or weed? The wind moves west to east. The east coast gets acid rain from the west and midwest areas. That means NH and VT. Are you SURE you aren’t a Portlander??? They’re that retarded, you know.

  105. It is DISGUSTING the way Oregonians come to California and trash it. They ruined their own state with all the effing yard art, (old crap lying around everywhere!) overly liberal politics, the toxic air, polluted waters and filthy homeless folks peeing in fountains etc. Stay the hell out of California, we don’t want you here!

    • Yes! This is what irritates me about Oregon the most they brag about how awesome their state is then they’re always visiting/moving to California and turning it into a s**t hole like Oregon. If you like Oregon so much stay there! They are such stupid, entitled, rude people and I hate dealing with them here. I love California and the more and more people come here from Oregon the worse it gets. They’re dirty people they move/visit here and trash our beautiful state and ruin it for the real Californians. They come here with their filthy habits and bad behavior and expect everyone to just step aside and let them be assholes like people do in Oregon, then when someone calls them out they are sooo offended how dare anyone say anything negative about them! Get over yourselves Oregonians you’re no prize.

  106. Does anyone else think it’s stupid that these Oregonians wear California gear? Like you’ve never been to California, you don’t know anyone from California, California doesn’t like you… stop. Honestly it’s insulting to our state to have you idiots wear that, please don’t. Lol

    • Actually, since I used to live in Fresno and Sacramento, when I go back to visit, my first fear is someone breaking into my car. Those Oregonians wearing Californian gear are just former Californians LOL

    • That’s so disgusting. These people need to be kept out of California they are ruining our state. It seriously pisses me off more than anything else when these Oregonians come here and act like they own the place. They are trashy, nasty people that I don’t want to have to interact with here, STAY IN OREGON YOU ASSHOLES!! No one from California wants you here even temporarily. You contribute nothing to our state, you disrespect us by trashing our local hangouts. If you’re going to be a bunch of lazy, filthy losers than stay in your own state and destroy that instead. Oh wait you already have, look at what a s**t hole Oregon has become we don’t want this to happen to California too. It’s so frustrating and also very sad to have to see this kind of crap from these jerks.

      • “even temporarily” Too funny!

        Right, because apparently, the more temporary, the more license Oregon youths feel trashing the place is part of their [entitled] “road trip experience”! And I happen to utterly adore that part of NorCal most. Sad.

        Isn’t it ironic these are the very “Ugly American” accusations they’ve felt knee-jerk obligated to level against older baby boomers? Further ironic much of the litter I see even in small-town OR are teen/young ‘adult’ products.

        I’m just not picturing middle aged people carelessly leaving behind empty Big Gulps, and full Trojans? I guess that doesn’t matter. As long as you’re not the owner of an evil corporation, you can’t be a menace to the environment?

  107. I haven’t lived in Portland for 20 years but have visited since. I lived there for 4 months during winter and was miserable! It was so depressing. As beautiful as it is I couldn’t get over the lack of sun. There was a gray blanket covering the sky every day and it made me tired and unmotivated. I lived In Eugene for a while and loved it. Weather down there slightly better. I have friends who live in Portland and they don’t have a care in the world. They just scr-word by. I do think that there is a sense of laziness and entitlement here. I have no idea why, and why so many on food stamps and public aid. Thoughts?

    • I blame the school system. See my other posts. It’s full of losers who don’t care about school and wants $15 minimum wage. See the problem there?

    • Bore, so totally true word! Portland isn’t just weird, it’s scary. People getting shot, vagrants all over downtown and elsewhere, people smoke pot here like cigarettes and it’s run down and filthy. No clue why home prices here are supposedly going up. Who the hell wants to be stuck here these days?! Just goes to show that herd mentality; it got people in a ton of trouble in 2008 and if you buy a house with the idea you can sell it for twice what you paid you’re a fool! You buy a house to have a home!! So you don’t end up lining someone else’s pockets..not so you can brag about your investment.. Just my humble opinion..

  108. I too have noticed that I always feel better when leaving this place. It usually takes 2 days away for me to feel better. I always figured this effect was psychological and social (other places don’t seem to have all the socially inept and frustratingly slow people always getting in the way). But perhaps there is a physical component to my experience as well due to all the air pollution and it’s effect on the body and brain. Its pretty sad (but typical) that Portlanders have been so unable to admit just how poor the air is here. If you’ve ever gone into the Columbia Gorge, hiked up high and looked back at Portland there is visual proof of this… a stunningly thick brown smog. Of course there is a geographic component, with the Willamette and Columbia Valley inversion holding in particulates. There is also the feckless state DEQ which does virtually nothing. There HAS been SOME press lately for some reason, with Bullseye and Uroboros Glass pollution going public. Esco Steel has been pumping out horrible air for decades and that barely made it to any public awareness. Will the whole of the problem ever be acknowledged? Double it. Here’s some proof of the problem:

    http://www.whatsinourair.org/

    And perhaps the reason people who live here longer term nearly ALWAYS seem intellectually stifled:

    http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/07-08/smog.aspx

    https://news.usc.edu/70274/autism-math-genetics-and-pollution-exposure-over-time-may-boost-risk/

    • I think it’s been established that this sense of entitlement is a national problem. However, I think it’s also been established that the sense of entitlement here is several orders of magnitude worse than anywhere else. It is SO much worse here, that it stands out completely from other places and is almost incomparable.

      The typical defense of Portland is: “It’s like this everywhere.” And this is true to a small extent. My argument (based on my experience) has always been one of magnitude… that it’s several times WORSE here. For years I’ve been very frustrated by the fact that most Portlanders seem incapable of understanding this perspective or ANY perspective that is not ALL OR NOTHING. Which is part of why I think people here are narrow-minded and not very smart. The world is MUCH more complex than the typical “all or nothing” Portland perspective can comprehend.

    • I have to say Oregonians are the worst when it comes to self-entitlement. Not only that but they are completely full of themselves which is laughable considering these people are a sad excuse for human beings. It’s all about them and what they want. They are lazy and stupid but they expect to be rewarded for their minimal effort and when they are not they become bitter and jealous of those who have succeeded in life. If you’re not low class, dumb white trash then don’t expect to ft in here. I swear I see people here in their late 20’s to early 30’s who act like they are still in junior high. I talk like an educated adult, I don’t use slang words like “lit” and “on fleek” and “bae” and I use correct grammar so I’m considered a loser and a weirdo, lol. These morons reject anyone who isn’t as stupid and immature as they are. They think acting like children makes them cool but to me they just look like a bunch of self-absorbed idiots.

      • Everywhere I’ve lived, prior to here, there is somewhat of a direct relationship between a person’s competence and their confidence. Meaning the more competent someone is the more confident they tend to be. Not so here in Portland. Here there is either NO relationship between someone’s confidence and their competence or an INVERSE relationship. Meaning, in Portland the LESS competent someone is the MORE confident they are. It’s absolutely AMAZING to be around so many incompetent IDIOTS who are sooo overconfident. And these morons will just screw up EVERYTHING around them with no self-awareness whatsoever and just walk away from the disaster they leave as if they’re walking on water. (Perfect example: Mayor Charlie Hales.) And if you confront one of these idiots on what they’ve done they will deny that they had anything to do with it, blame someone else and blame YOU for it!

        I’m NOT a Republican but even for a liberal, it’s been absolutely stunning to witness a population which has been born and raised to have virtually NO self-awareness or sense of personal responsibility at all.

        • Boregonian, you are so right about these people being so incompetent yet so confident in their abilities. It’s not so disturbing to me that these people are basically retarded, there are lots of stupid people in the world, the part that really gets me is how full of themselves Oregonians are! It’s mind boggling to me, they are such trashy, stupid, immature people but they think they are the greatest thing to ever grace the earth. It’s all “look at me aren’t I great?!” and if you don’t agree with them they act like there is something wrong with you. Trying to explain to these people how ridiculous they make themselves look or show them how incompetent they really are is a futile effort. They can’t take any criticism and that’s why they will always stay a bunch of dumb, backwards hicks. They don’t think there is anything wrong with them and that’s the real issue and that’s why Oregonians will always be the way they are they refuse to take a good look at themselves, they just convince each other that they are such wonderful people and keep shoving their heads further and further up their own a$$. It’s revolting I’m so done with these people!

          • I experienced this. I’m floored by it. I have a theory that subconsciously they’ve learned through behavior patterns/mannerisms over generations to shun newcomers (religion, race and gender being dominant control factors in growth of the area). This was a self rewarding cycle to then exploit and abuse vulnerable populations weakened by lack of social inclusion to accept any working conditions, pay, social norms etc. As these folks would have then been essentially indentured servants there was and is no incentives for the folks who can “trace their Portland roots” several generations to be self aware or have ambition. Simply put, nobody’s told them the emperor has no clothes for quite some time if ever.

  109. To the person who provided the link to the Oregonian article about Oregon killing us.. Let me say I believe it is. I was always a healthy person, for the most part. Had no really lingering issues or problems whatever until… I moved to Oregon. Within a few months of moving into a apartment here in Mud City aka Portland I began to experience allergies, breathing problems and headaches that would rarely dissipate. Within a year I began to experience severe joint pain (even in the joints of my feet) and a feeling of malaise. I even moved thinking it could be the Smart meters making me sick.. I made a few trips back to Cali during this time and each time I felt better within 24-48 hours of crossing the Cali/Or border. Yet soon as I got back into the Beaver state within 36 hours I felt awful again. I was for the most part poo – pooed by physicians and was told I probably had SAD.. Etc. So I said to he’ll with these Oregon QUACKS and did my own research into the air quality and environmental hazards that proliferate the state of Oregon. Just about every major town in this state has contaminants in the soil, the air and the water from all the timber and industry. Get the he’ll out of this state if you can! Look at what is going on with Hayden Island! Not to even mention what all the mold spores are doing to our respiratory system! Any other state takes black mold seriously but in Oregon you’re expected to just deal with it as the spores cause asthma and chronic respiratory distress. If you aren’t sick yet and you stay in this state you will be. I am not going to grow old and die in this place. I want to keep my teeth and my independent views and not be any further exposed to a plethora of hazards to my health. If Oregonian had any real sense they never would have allowed Smart meters. And yet I didn’t hear any back lash at all about them unlike down in Cali where people have figured out how dangerous they are. If you think the utility bills in Portland and Oregon are high now wait until PUD etc start billing in Time Of Use rates!! Good luck to anyone who is stuck here.. you’ll need it..

    • The jury is still very much out on ‘Smart’ meters, but overall, my impression is they were far too hastily implemented based on very little research. Additionally, rate payers were sold they’d only be pinged once a month ( which is the typical billing cycle ) Then it was once a day! Now people are finding they’re taking readings CONSTANTLY. Some have even noted birds abandon their nests or they haven’t seen birds for awhile?

      But I doubt ( however ill advised ) health impacts would be felt immediately? Perhaps you’ve noticed the government can sell SOME people anything, as long as they preface it w/ the word “Smart”.

      You’re right however, living in *Western* Oregon year round isn’t good for ANYbody. You realize there’s a reason the natives only came to the Will. Valley during the Summer, right..? Yes, even people without computers and the CDC understood living in a DANK cold climate year round can only wreak havoc on your long term health. Of course tribes had claims to hunting grounds west of the Cascades, but primarily spent the other seasons to the east.

      Like yourself, even brief trips outside the area provide a tremendous sense of relief and elevated health levels. Spent a month in the islands and felt at least 10 to 15 years younger. And, as you’ve shared, felt utter decline within WEEKS of returning! So the moral HERE is? But keep in mind, it’s much harder to just pull up stakes after building a business and raising a family.

  110. Okay its not for everyone. No place is. So you had
    great expectations of accolades or at least a hug. Move on. Live with disappointment. Does not make you defective or less cuddly. You are someone’s everything! Don’t linger here amidst the bitterness and vitriol. Get the f**k out of Dodge! Northern California welcomes you. Love

    • Bob, I can tell you belong here, you are the people we are complaining about! We were looking for a bit of sanctuary here, on this blog, AWAY from just. your. kind! Please give us a tiny bit of peace!